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you're in the pair cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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hey neighbors I have a special

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announcement to make

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now as you know we had a changeover in

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the staff of the para cast as of

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February of last year when the original

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co-host David B Edney left the show for

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personal reasons and we respect that we

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wish him well I understand he's

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headlining the agenda at the Macworld

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Expo in San Francisco this week so way

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to go dude yeah you know that's terrific

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you know Chris David's very well known

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in the digital imaging arena and we wish

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him the best great success in his life

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free of paranormal concerns which

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sometimes is the best thing you know I

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know that I have left this field four or

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five times for extended periods in fact

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I was out of the field when the Phoenix

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lights occurred in Phoenix I was living

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in Phoenix and we had the Phoenix lights

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I didn't see them I didn't care about

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them because I did my best to stay out

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of the paranormal realm what about you

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Chris once he got involved in this Chris

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O'Brien what was your particular

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experience did you drop out because I

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have an announcement to make which may

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cause you to drop out even further once

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you're here but have you had this period

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of time when you said I've had enough of

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this I've got to get back to normal life

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well yeah I did I took a two two year

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hiatus initially from 2002 through 2004

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when I moved back east to write a

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biography on Andre Stanford so I was

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kind of periphery involved and I was

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keeping tabs on on activity but I wasn't

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you know out in the field investigating

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I did look into a couple of sighting

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events there so I was I kind of took a

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pretty big step back at that point but

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the most opportune situations to

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investigate the paranormal so I kind of

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took a little bit of a step away from

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UFOs and and was involved off and on for

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five years in doing haunted sight

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research but mostly still paranormal you

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see you never it was

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paranormal yeah so I really have never

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totally taken a step back I I feel like

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I've kind of gone underground a little

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bit you know for four periods of time

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but I've never never really fully backed

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off and said that's it I'm not gonna

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take it anymore I can't I can't take

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this anymore

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I've never gotten to that point of being

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so frustrated and so you know just so

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bent out of shape I I tend to kind of be

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pretty even-keeled about these subject

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areas and I don't really let them get

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under my skin well I'll tell you what

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this announcement is probably gonna make

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you want to disappear again

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so let's backtrack here our original

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co-host leaves the show we have some

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guests co-hosts which included Frank

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Bishop and Chris O'Brien and of course I

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didn't consider them as try outs until

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it came a point where Chris is here just

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about every week I am making Chris

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worked very hard reading the books from

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our guests does a lot of independent

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research and he still has all his

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personal projects that he's engaged in

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and I figured you know what let's

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recognize the reality as of this episode

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you are the official co-host of the

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oh my where's where's that button that

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has all the applause the hooting and

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hollering curse I'm not sure gee you

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know what I kind of feel like I've been

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the co-host really I mean this is I'm

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going on I think I've done 40 shows

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already so let's make it official I

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write it and I'm glad to make it

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official there will be no gold watches

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except the one carat we talked about

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last week I thought another well take a

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platinum one you'll take a platinum when

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you're greedy

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so as we speak as we record the show

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you're about to jump on a plane you know

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and I think this Jerry Lewis movie one

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of the last Jerry Lewis movies where the

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people who were flying the plane would

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airline they had pedals they use pedals

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to keep the plane aloft so is this the

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kind of airplane you're going to fly I'm

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actually no I'm I'm going out in a

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Cadillac CTS actually

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driving your yeah to make a long story

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short my a guy worked with here in

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Sedona for six years doing video

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production has relocated to LA and he's

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been involved it's kind of a labor of

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love for him for three years he's been

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slowly accumulating conversations

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between the top people in ufology

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dialogues that have been filmed over the

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last three years and you know Richard

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you name it I mean they're all you just

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go down the list of everybody

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Steven assets controversial not

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everybody in there is somebody that

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everybody supports well that's true but

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but we I think Ron really came up with a

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very interesting approach the the title

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of this it's going to be probably a 10

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DVD set and it's called dialogues on

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disclosure and basically there's about a

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hundred and fifty to hundred hours of

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interviews there my job will be to sort

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of call that down sort of go ahead and

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and try to reduce the volume of tape

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actually in interviews and then distill

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it down to a 90 minute project which

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will be standalone but all the full

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length interviews will also be available

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and and basically it's it's ufologist

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subject and some of the pairings are

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very interesting and it's a very

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interesting project of course i'm i've

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been very pretty agnostic when it comes

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to the whole subject of disclosure so

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i'm going to be approaching this as a

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journalist and as a video producer and

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try not to go into it as best i can with

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any sort of foregone agenda or

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conclusion I'm gonna try to do this as

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objectively as humanly possible and

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based on a number of the interviews that

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I've seen already there's some really

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good stuff in there and I'm really

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looking forward to going out to LA for

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the next week to ten days and working

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long hours on getting this project

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and premiered at the UFO Congress on the

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despite that you'll still be available

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on the show so you'll have to take those

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two or three-hour hiatuses which I enjoy

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might learn about the people who are

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talking to I'm Steven Bassett for

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instance is involved in two separate

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conversations one with Dan Sheehan which

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which I found was fascinating I learned

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so much about the history of disclosure

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and and some of the things that Danny

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she--and had to say about about viewing

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the project Blue Book's classified files

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didn't know the story behind some of the

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events and in in anecdotes and I just I

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just really find the project very

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stimulating it's much better than doing

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that I can really sink my teeth into and

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and and it's it's pretty exciting for me

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snowball's chance in hell that we're

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gonna see the US government fully

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disclose what it knows about UFOs we've

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wayside and really look at this as

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objectively as possible as a journalist

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and perhaps will bring some of those

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disclosure and as a way of course of

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introducing people to the DVDs these

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Congress starts February 23rd it's

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called dialogues on disclosure and Chris

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UFO Congress and we will have extra

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involves someone though who lives back

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east in New Jersey as a matter of fact

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of New Jersey and he's meu Fonz Eastern

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Region director George filer and the

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this periodic newsletter called filers

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files okay where he has updates about

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UFOs and other strange events and

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time has lots of good stories to tell

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and we're gonna want to hear from him

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and to see what he has and you know ask

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him with key questions about his

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particular point of view maybe the best

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cases he's found and the future of the

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UFO field and maybe we'll ask him about

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disclosure we also have some questions

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from our listeners on the power cast so

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are now full time co-hosts is Chris

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para cast Jacques filet Budd Hopkins

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Brad Steiger Nick Redfern Loren Coleman

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you'll find classic and new books by

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these and many other authors and

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anomalous books the number one publisher

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of 14 books on the planet they

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specialize in books on UFOs and aliens

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Bigfoot and cryptozoology parapsychology

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and the paranormal as well as

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alternative history all of which makes

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anomalous books simply phenomenal check

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out their catalogue at anomalous books

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calm that's a and oh ma li st books calm

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gold is it for you Ted Anderson

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president of Midas resources one of the

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world's premier gold and precious metal

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investing firms I get it you wouldn't

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buy gold if you believed that the

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government is doing a great job that the

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Fed will stop handing out trillions of

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dollars like bail out candy that Social

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Security would be there for you that's

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not what's happening

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you might even pass on gold if the

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stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

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or that the dollar wouldn't lose value

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if all looks rosy to you then now is not

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the time to buy gold for the realists

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there have never been more sobering

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information George what attracted you to

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the UFO mystery well I used to fly for

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the Air Force and I was flying in

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England and tankers and they asked us if

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we would investigate a UFO that was over

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the center of England we were flying

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over the North Sea doing tanker

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operations we used to call it putting

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the fighters to bed because you probably

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know the fog rolls in in England and

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planes can't land they have to go land

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somewhere else and we were losing some

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fighters because of the bad fog on

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occasion so we were there losing that

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they crash heard that you can't see them

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well in some cases they crashed because

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they were out of fuel so the idea was to

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have a tanker in the air at all times to

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refill them so that they could go to

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Germany or Spain when the weather got

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bad all of a sudden well they might

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crash landing you know in bad weather so

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this was kind of a safety type thing so

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we were up every night and London

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control realized that we were there and

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the UFO would come into our general area

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they would ask us to basically chase it

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away they one time they were using

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fighters but the fighters often didn't

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come back and

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particularly if they fired on the UFOs

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oh boy you know you just opened up a

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thousand questions but before we get to

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them let's hear more about your

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particular instance here well so any

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case this was over the center of England

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about there the Stonehenge Oxford area

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and we're on the coast so we have to go

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about 100 miles inland and descend from

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like 33,000 feet down Oh thousand feet

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where the UFO was hovering and as we got

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closer for the London controllers giving

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us you know headings and so on and

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weirdness more or less a steep dive and

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we went actually went through a red line

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which is as fast as you could fly very

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quickly before you go on when did this

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happen what year we're talking about

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1962 okay and uh or about 50 miles out I

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was able to pick up the UFO on the

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aircraft radar there other interesting

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thing it was a huge radar return when

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you took off out of scope in England

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almost soon as you got in the air you

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could pick up the Firth of Forth Bridge

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in Scotland which is about two hundred

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miles away and it was a huge return and

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this this bridge is about a mile long

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and of course made out of steel and so

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on and the UFO image on the radar was

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almost exactly like this this bridge so

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it would indicate that there was a very

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large radar return a large object of

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some kind that we were picking up as we

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got closer to it or got got bigger in

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other words it indicated that it was

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made of steel or some kind of metallic

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substance and was just hovering over the

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center of England and as we got closer

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the diamonds you got larger and in other

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words it was a real image wasn't the

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cloud or something like that and when we

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got about a mile from it it suddenly lit

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up

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both the radar return and and we could

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see it off in the distance kind of like

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a ship at sea like a aircraft carrier or

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something and suddenly just took off

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vertically straight up in the sky look

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very much like the shuttle launching at

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night that most people have seen those

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pictures and that's pretty much what we

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saw basically lights in the sky of what

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convinced eyes though of course there

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was real was the fact that we had it on

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the radar on the aircraft and the ground

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radar headed as well so two radar

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stations at least were picking it up

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so when indicate that it was a real

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object and then when we got we were

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doing about 400 miles an hour and went

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up of a cannon or 20 times faster than

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we were flying so here indicate knew

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that it was an object that probably you

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know was not from this earth that's how

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I got interested in UFOs part of the

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interest that we had is that shortly

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thereafter we're invited to dine me in

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and Prince Philip was a speaker and he

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also has a strong interest in UFOs and

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he asked to meet with us you know the

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cruise that had seen UFOs and we told

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our stories and what we had seen and he

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indicated that he was convinced you know

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that Eric was being visited and that

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kind of together both his interest in

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the fact that we had seen something

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created my interest in UFOs not pretty

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much following him ever since then

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now you mentioned instances where we

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tried to shoot down UFOs I know there

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was a book out some years back called

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shooting down are you referring to the

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cases in that book or things that you

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know about because of your background

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the Air Force we were told that previous

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to our chasing them they had sent up

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fighters and all they really said is

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that some of the fighters didn't come

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back so we don't know for certain

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you know they tried to shoot them down

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but we had indications that when you

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fired at them they would return the fire

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and the reason they were using tankers

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to chase him was that we were on we had

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no you know weapons on board and

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obviously we couldn't shoot at him so

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they apparently wouldn't try to shoot at

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us I didn't hear of any cases for the

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tankers were lost when you referred to

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craft didn't come back so how were they

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lost well we were told and actually

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since then I've talked to fighter pilots

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that attempted to shoot and one case I

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talked to this individual he was in

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Japan and he was flying f-102s which at

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the time was very hot aircraft and he

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and his wingman went after and he had

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engine trouble or kind of turned back

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but his wingman went after the UFO and

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shot at it and said I've got a drug hit

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on the UFO and there's a you could hear

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like an explosion and he said that

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nothing happened to the UFO and there

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basically were coming after him and then

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he was he was lost he was never found

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I'm gonna ask you more about this in a

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moment we have George filer and he has

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this publication called filers files

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kind of a online newsletter that you can

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subscribe to and get more information

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about the cases he has explored and

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compiled in recent years but as we're

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learning right now he's got a lot more

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of course we'll still be hearing as

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guest co-hosts from occasionally Nick

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are listening to the podcast the gold

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we have George filer he's Eastern

616
00:27:40,769 --> 00:27:37,090
director for mutual UFO network longtime

617
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:40,779
UFO enthusiast investigator etc his

618
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interest going back to 1962 when he flew

619
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for the Air Force our co-host is Chris

620
00:27:51,299 --> 00:27:48,250
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

621
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power cast Chris you have a 10,000

622
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questions I'm sure based on what he's

623
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:55,029
told us so far maybe you want to probe

624
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:56,250
further well

625
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my first my first comment really is it

626
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:02,129
must have been a little disconcerting to

627
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to be faced with a huge object like that

628
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:07,120
that some of your your planes hadn't

629
00:28:10,769 --> 00:28:08,980
come back due to some sort of

630
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:10,779
interaction with them it must have been

631
00:28:15,509 --> 00:28:12,250
a little disconcerting to be flying

632
00:28:19,470 --> 00:28:15,519
around in a huge tanker plane filled

633
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with with jet fuel knowing that these

634
00:28:25,619 --> 00:28:22,360
things could possibly be hostile did

635
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that in any way shape or form impact

636
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:30,059
your guyses response to this object well

637
00:28:37,529 --> 00:28:34,090
I guess it did a little bit but we were

638
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:37,539
more excited about the chase if it

639
00:28:42,869 --> 00:28:40,690
sounds funny but frequently flying is

640
00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:42,879
you know I'm boring holes in the sky and

641
00:28:47,999 --> 00:28:45,429
this was something interesting to do and

642
00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:48,009
I guess we thought about the fact that

643
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:50,620
something might happen but whenever

644
00:28:57,060 --> 00:28:53,110
you're flying something can happen so

645
00:28:59,129 --> 00:28:57,070
you just do your job so to speak now

646
00:29:02,669 --> 00:28:59,139
were you ever told not to mention this

647
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:02,679
to to anybody or we ever put under any

648
00:29:09,419 --> 00:29:05,980
sort of kind of a security clampdown on

649
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:09,429
this or you know Prince Phillip came in

650
00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:11,350
and briefed you guys what were you

651
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:13,000
allowed to talk to anybody else did this

652
00:29:19,529 --> 00:29:15,730
particular incident make the papers or

653
00:29:22,529 --> 00:29:19,539
get any sort of publicity no to my

654
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:22,539
knowledge we were surprised that he knew

655
00:29:30,659 --> 00:29:24,610
about it apparently he he knew about it

656
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:30,669
from London control but this part was

657
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this being I was down to wherever it

658
00:29:38,749 --> 00:29:34,659
being in the papers or you know any kind

659
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:38,759
of publicity or even on the base

660
00:29:43,129 --> 00:29:41,129
seem to know much about it you know only

661
00:29:46,189 --> 00:29:43,139
the few crews that had actually changed

662
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:46,199
the office do you think it was a major

663
00:29:51,499 --> 00:29:49,289
problem was this a major problem for the

664
00:29:54,709 --> 00:29:51,509
Air Force having to scramble

665
00:29:56,180 --> 00:29:54,719
interceptors to go after these objects I

666
00:29:58,729 --> 00:29:56,190
mean what are we talking about are we

667
00:30:00,499 --> 00:29:58,739
talking about just a few instances where

668
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:00,509
this happened or was this a fairly

669
00:30:06,589 --> 00:30:04,529
routine regular occurrence it sounds it

670
00:30:08,019 --> 00:30:06,599
sounds like there was just you're

671
00:30:12,589 --> 00:30:08,029
talking more than just a handful of

672
00:30:14,449 --> 00:30:12,599
cases here well at least at least at the

673
00:30:18,349 --> 00:30:14,459
time they didn't tell us much of

674
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,359
anything it's like you know it's you're

675
00:30:22,219 --> 00:30:20,159
ordered to chase something and it can

676
00:30:25,729 --> 00:30:22,229
you chase it that's pretty much how

677
00:30:29,379 --> 00:30:25,739
worked it's always need to know need to

678
00:30:32,180 --> 00:30:29,389
know and they tell you very little and

679
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:32,190
on the other hand I have talked to

680
00:30:39,739 --> 00:30:37,769
others pilots and aircrews that pretty

681
00:30:43,009 --> 00:30:39,749
much the same they don't give you the

682
00:30:45,169 --> 00:30:43,019
big picture so to speak but you talk to

683
00:30:47,629 --> 00:30:45,179
a number of air crews and you find out

684
00:30:50,989 --> 00:30:47,639
that they had they have also chased them

685
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:50,999
so if something was going on now we were

686
00:30:58,969 --> 00:30:55,289
already airborne so we weren't scrambled

687
00:31:01,099 --> 00:30:58,979
like to chase them so to speak and

688
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:01,109
actually because of that we could reach

689
00:31:04,939 --> 00:31:03,539
normally reach them much faster because

690
00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:04,949
it takes quite a while to get an

691
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:09,629
aircraft off the ground right especially

692
00:31:14,199 --> 00:31:11,159
a tanker which is not going to be

693
00:31:17,779 --> 00:31:14,209
setting any any aerial speed records

694
00:31:19,339 --> 00:31:17,789
another question I have is what was the

695
00:31:23,989 --> 00:31:19,349
you were the pilot now we're at your

696
00:31:28,189 --> 00:31:23,999
correct is not am i assuming that you

697
00:31:30,709 --> 00:31:28,199
are navigate at the time okay and have

698
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:30,719
you been doing I assume that you've been

699
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:32,609
doing research in the intervening years

700
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:36,059
about other instances that occurred in

701
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:39,779
the European theater do you want to talk

702
00:31:44,899 --> 00:31:42,659
about any other cases that you've become

703
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:44,909
aware of in the in the years since this

704
00:31:50,209 --> 00:31:48,059
happened that that occurred there well

705
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,219
most of they're fairly similar at ours I

706
00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:53,200
don't know if they're the large ones

707
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,740
but quite a few fighter pilots at

708
00:32:02,519 --> 00:31:59,200
different time has you know seen them

709
00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:02,529
and one of the problems that occurred is

710
00:32:07,769 --> 00:32:05,740
that they would sometimes court at that

711
00:32:11,549 --> 00:32:07,779
time if you remember what the Soviet

712
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:11,559
Union in the European countries the NATO

713
00:32:17,159 --> 00:32:15,070
countries were more or less at war you

714
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,169
know the height of the Cold War not a

715
00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:19,120
fighting war so to speak but it could

716
00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:23,500
have been at any moment and sometimes

717
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:26,440
the UFOs would come in from the Soviet

718
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:27,970
Union and we would think there would be

719
00:32:32,129 --> 00:32:30,720
some kind of attack by the Soviets and

720
00:32:35,639 --> 00:32:32,139
vice-versa

721
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:35,649
that they would come in from the West so

722
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:38,320
to speak and flying the Soviet Union and

723
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:39,929
they would think that we were attacking

724
00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:47,940
communications between the two countries

725
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,230
so that they could warn each other you

726
00:32:55,289 --> 00:32:52,000
know that the UFOs were on the way and

727
00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:55,299
it wasn't them wasn't going to attack by

728
00:33:06,120 --> 00:32:58,600
don't shoot back it's not us it sounds

729
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:06,130
funny but in a sense that created dates

730
00:33:13,769 --> 00:33:11,190
on yeah for the Civic well obviously

731
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:13,779
with nuclear weapons and everything you

732
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,260
don't want to start a war and look

733
00:33:22,289 --> 00:33:18,880
unless you have to unfortunately

734
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:22,299
fortunately you know one didn't occur

735
00:33:29,070 --> 00:33:26,110
between us sound like a real life dr.

736
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:29,080
Strangelove scenario right well planes

737
00:33:34,139 --> 00:33:31,240
had been lost on both sides obviously

738
00:33:37,019 --> 00:33:34,149
you know getting too close to one

739
00:33:38,879 --> 00:33:37,029
another except but so what do you tell

740
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:38,889
someone like a Steven Greer who says

741
00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:43,600
that all these UFOs and and ETS are

742
00:33:47,009 --> 00:33:45,399
benevolent space brothers and that

743
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:47,019
they're here to save us and they don't

744
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:49,330
have any sort of hostile intent what

745
00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:51,370
would you tell Steven Greer if he told

746
00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:54,220
that to you well Steven Greer has been

747
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:57,880
in my house and we've discussed that and

748
00:34:04,529 --> 00:34:02,080
I said that basically I was also an

749
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:04,539
intelligence officer for 20 years and I

750
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:07,030
said I don't think we know

751
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:12,850
enough I mean we have based on what's

752
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:15,250
happened so far they probably do not

753
00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:17,800
have an evil attempt but we don't know

754
00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:21,820
for sure okay so do you think then that

755
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:24,760
the reason that maybe some crafts were

756
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:27,220
lost is because the pilots of the UFOs

757
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:30,639
were engaged in defensive actions rather

758
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,649
than offensive they're being fired upon

759
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:35,040
they have to protect themselves

760
00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:38,020
basically yes that's the story that I've

761
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:41,560
always heard on the other hand you know

762
00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:44,520
we get stories I get calls from people

763
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:47,320
claiming they're being abducted you know

764
00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:48,970
that kind of thing so they're not always

765
00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:52,870
what I would consider friendly they have

766
00:34:59,970 --> 00:34:56,950
their what appears to be their reasons

767
00:35:03,180 --> 00:34:59,980
for doing things and I don't consider

768
00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:03,190
them all always friendly well that's an

769
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:05,590
interesting question here in terms of

770
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:07,870
that is it just the case where it's not

771
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:11,050
being friendly or unfriendly but they're

772
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:12,940
just doing what they do because that's

773
00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:15,310
necessary for the preservation of their

774
00:35:19,590 --> 00:35:17,380
race or for the scientific research

775
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:19,600
they're doing that appears to be the

776
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:22,630
case that whatever their motivation is

777
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,960
and there's indications that some Sur

778
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:27,520
people have heard this that they're

779
00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:32,110
abducting us in order to improve their

780
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:36,070
species yeah say that most of the people

781
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:41,260
who call me if I was an alien in other

782
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:42,730
words they're often attractive people

783
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:47,850
are or people with no strong muscular

784
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:50,800
capabilities or some reason that the

785
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:53,350
aliens would be interested in them so it

786
00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:55,090
goes without saying that your perception

787
00:35:59,540 --> 00:35:57,700
here is this is et can't be anything

788
00:36:01,770 --> 00:35:59,550
else and before you answer that question

789
00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:01,780
we're gonna create what we call in the

790
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:04,660
power cast the eternal cliffhanger and

791
00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:06,700
that means we're gonna pause for a

792
00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:08,230
couple of minutes and when we return

793
00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:10,600
we'll talk further with George filer

794
00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:13,180
MUFON Eastern director a longtime

795
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:15,820
researcher we're talking about some very

796
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:20,190
unusual and very important UFO

797
00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:22,020
a reminder here's how you can

798
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799
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800
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00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:33,780
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802
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:36,990
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803
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804
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yourself a fancy username something like

806
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you know Flash Gordon or something it

807
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might be taken by the time you hear this

808
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809
00:37:03,290 --> 00:36:51,960
Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

810
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in the para cast is there a secret UFO

811
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,240
agenda to strange creatures from the

812
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:08,640
darkest corners of the mind roam the

813
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:11,010
earth is there evidence for mind control

814
00:37:17,330 --> 00:37:14,250
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O'Brien you're in the para cast we're

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exploring cases that basically George

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was involved in and heard about

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involving UFO pilots who shot down our

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pilots defensively or whatever are these

921
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cases documented anywhere or is it just

922
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that book shoot him down well we know

923
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that we've lost an awful lot of aircraft

924
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through the years many more than people

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have any idea thousands thousands hosen

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it was a lot of thousands of aircraft

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for the years now she doesn't say of

928
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course that they were lost by you know

929
00:42:31,859 --> 00:42:29,230
the cause is being UFOs but we've lost a

930
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lot of aircraft and we know that a lot

931
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of our aircraft were launched chased to

932
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chase them so you can put the two two

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two together and come up with some kind

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of an answer well the case we must hear

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about is of course captain Thomas

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Mantell in one of the early Kehoe books

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and mentioned elsewhere that he was

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going after UFO and for one or another

939
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reasons he didn't come back some suggest

940
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he wasn't shot down he just flew too

941
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high and he did something a maneuver

942
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that wasn't safe and so that was the

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consequence a unfortunate consequence of

944
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doing something that wasn't safe to do

945
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what's your perception that someone

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who's you know been up in the air what

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do you think about the mantle incident I

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will say you know that when you're

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flying aircraft most of the crews are

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young and so on and you get excited in

951
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the chase and you can do things for the

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aircraft that you wouldn't normally do

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that caused the wings to come off or

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whatever that in other words

955
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it might be a self-imposed crash while

956
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chasing the UFOs but I have heard of in

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the cases that you know personally were

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they actually fired on the UFOs and did

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not come back now I've never heard of a

960
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case where they actually you know in the

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woods

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UFOs took offensive action first I've

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always found that the stories are of

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some kind of defensive action on part of

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the UFOs returning fire or stopping our

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aircraft from firing at them by knocking

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out our weapons systems ok I think the

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other question it comes back to that

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where is this document and I mean people

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are going to want to Google all these

971
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cases well most of the cases that I'm

972
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just talking to the individuals and some

973
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of it is reported in my 14 years of

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fires files and you know if they wanna

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know more about as I'm happy to send it

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to just send me an email a major star

977
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and Verizon dotnet I mean I've been

978
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through thousands of pages of the Air

979
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Force and other Army Materiel and I know

980
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at least of what they release nothing

981
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will be in there Chris yeah and so this

982
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is audience sounds like this is all

983
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classified information still but we're

984
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just filtered out through the word is

985
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filtered out through Air Force personnel

986
00:45:29,789 --> 00:45:26,770
just kind of telling telling each other

987
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privately about these things well what

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is your feeling about this Georgie do

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you feel that there's that this is still

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going on you do you have a sense that

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maybe you know the powers in the world

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with you know high tech air forces have

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learned their lesson and they they're

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not gonna be foolish enough to try to

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fire at these objects anymore have you

996
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heard of any recent cases of this type

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I have heard of recent cases where

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they've chased them particularly in

999
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South America some of that information

1000
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is being released but I haven't heard of

1001
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them actually firing at the UFOs I think

1002
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we've learned that generally speaking

1003
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:13,349
it's not worth the effort right exactly

1004
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in fact it's dangerous well of course we

1005
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have the famous Brazil case I think in

1006
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86 where huge objects were seen over

1007
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major cities in Brazil I think San Paolo

1008
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and and in Rio and some of the pilots

1009
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that were scrambled on for those events

1010
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because of the release of information

1011
00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:35,980
have come forward and talked to AJ

1012
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,380
Guevara and I think Leslie keen has some

1013
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interesting anecdotal information in her

1014
00:46:46,049 --> 00:46:43,630
book from some of the principals in

1015
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those cases I do have you heard of

1016
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anything like that in the United States

1017
00:46:52,859 --> 00:46:51,490
that that could have been possibly

1018
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:52,869
covered up because it wasn't over a

1019
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large city for instance the

1020
00:47:01,920 --> 00:46:58,059
springerville Texas cases some years

1021
00:47:04,529 --> 00:47:01,930
back around the Crawford ranch location

1022
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:04,539
there were George W Bush had his summer

1023
00:47:11,609 --> 00:47:07,930
house have you heard anything about the

1024
00:47:13,979 --> 00:47:11,619
f-16s that were scrambled - you know I

1025
00:47:16,049 --> 00:47:13,989
knew one sense of the word that I think

1026
00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:16,059
we in one report they actually violated

1027
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:18,190
the 30 mile perimeter restricted

1028
00:47:22,589 --> 00:47:20,130
airspace around the Crawford ranch and

1029
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:22,599
f-16s were scrambled do you have you had

1030
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:28,150
any information on that pretty much only

1031
00:47:38,759 --> 00:47:32,249
what's been in the magazines and so on

1032
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:38,769
and the fact that radar they requested

1033
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:40,329
you know radar from that period of time

1034
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:44,410
and on the radar that we information we

1035
00:47:52,759 --> 00:47:48,210
received it did show both f-16s and

1036
00:47:55,499 --> 00:47:52,769
apparently UFOs you know in the vicinity

1037
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:55,509
then we tie that together with the

1038
00:48:02,099 --> 00:47:57,609
people on the ground claiming that they

1039
00:48:04,810 --> 00:48:02,109
had seen you know both see UFOs and the

1040
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:04,820
aircraft in some cases saw the UFO

1041
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:06,910
at very close range you know with

1042
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:09,400
binoculars and so on

1043
00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:13,190
so that we have multiple witnesses to

1044
00:48:18,490 --> 00:48:14,900
indicate that you know something was

1045
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:18,500
going on in other words it's apparently

1046
00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:21,380
true well what do you think the agenda

1047
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:23,780
is I mean obviously you don't know but

1048
00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:25,730
what is what is your gut feeling as an

1049
00:48:29,830 --> 00:48:29,150
ex-pilot X intelligence officer a long

1050
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:29,840
time

1051
00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:32,420
Air Force member and officer what what

1052
00:48:36,490 --> 00:48:34,460
are your feelings I mean what what's the

1053
00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:36,500
motivation for these crafts to be

1054
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:40,180
entering the airspace and teasing our

1055
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,910
our defensive structure do you have any

1056
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:46,400
sense of why while in their technology

1057
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:49,460
is way ahead of ours but I think of I

1058
00:49:00,760 --> 00:48:53,990
think of the earth as kind of an oasis

1059
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:00,770
in space and these crews are coming in

1060
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:03,710
from you know distant planets and

1061
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:05,240
they're coming here and they're looking

1062
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:10,880
for food and probably water to do their

1063
00:49:21,790 --> 00:49:16,610
laundry that kind of thing and you know

1064
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:21,800
propulsion systems and so on any case if

1065
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,370
we were flying you know we'll say into

1066
00:49:29,410 --> 00:49:27,680
Africa we might stop someplace and look

1067
00:49:34,050 --> 00:49:29,420
for food and water that kind of thing

1068
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:34,060
and then there's a certain group of

1069
00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:38,870
aliens who would look for comfort you

1070
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:42,020
know even the Bible tells us that so

1071
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:44,570
many wars aliens came from outer space

1072
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:54,530
and found that the daughters of man so

1073
00:49:58,780 --> 00:49:56,570
maybe Paula Stonebrook did have an alien

1074
00:50:00,700 --> 00:49:58,790
Reptoid lover what do you think of the

1075
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:00,710
abduction phenomenon since you brought

1076
00:50:04,060 --> 00:50:01,130
that up

1077
00:50:07,210 --> 00:50:04,070
I'm sure you as you mentioned you do get

1078
00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:07,220
calls related to claims of abduction do

1079
00:50:11,410 --> 00:50:09,020
you feel that this is a real phenomenon

1080
00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:11,420
or some sort of shadow world sort of

1081
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:13,430
manifestation of individual

1082
00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:15,650
consciousness or are these real

1083
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:17,180
nuts-and-bolts events what's your

1084
00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:18,599
feeling on this you've talked to

1085
00:50:25,489 --> 00:50:22,950
number of abductees I personally feel

1086
00:50:28,579 --> 00:50:25,499
that something real is going on and that

1087
00:50:35,539 --> 00:50:28,589
it should be you know research to a

1088
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:35,549
greater extent that I've had doctors in

1089
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:38,339
my home abductees and they've looked at

1090
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:41,579
the scars and they abductees for example

1091
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:45,720
one fella had a scar from under his left

1092
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,420
arm - under his right arm other words

1093
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:50,880
all the way across his chest while the

1094
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:53,569
doctor is looking at that say there's no

1095
00:50:58,819 --> 00:50:56,220
medical reason to have a cut completely

1096
00:51:00,859 --> 00:50:58,829
across the top of your body like that

1097
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:00,869
that's something you know must have

1098
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,700
happened to that person that's you know

1099
00:51:10,819 --> 00:51:07,920
and he's saying in the fact that he's

1100
00:51:13,309 --> 00:51:10,829
been abducted and they were searching

1101
00:51:16,279 --> 00:51:13,319
for something in his chest and had cut

1102
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:16,289
to cut him open and and not only that

1103
00:51:21,319 --> 00:51:18,690
but they had healed him quite quickly

1104
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:21,329
after that indicating some kind of a

1105
00:51:26,420 --> 00:51:24,450
advanced medical capability we'll get

1106
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:26,430
into more of the abduction scenario with

1107
00:51:33,259 --> 00:51:29,369
George filer longtime UFO investigator

1108
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:33,269
he was an Air Force pilot and he has had

1109
00:51:37,459 --> 00:51:35,130
his own UFO encounters as we heard

1110
00:51:41,110 --> 00:51:37,469
earlier our co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

1111
00:51:47,660 --> 00:51:41,120
gene Steinberg you're in the para cast

1112
00:51:52,570 --> 00:51:49,920
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1127
00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:21,110
that's juicy and live.com hi this is Ted

1128
00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:22,430
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1129
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:24,470
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1130
00:52:28,780 --> 00:52:26,390
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

1131
00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:28,790
available since 1986 yet the financial

1132
00:52:32,170 --> 00:52:30,470
industry won't recognize the value of

1133
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:32,180
gold for your attire 'men gold has

1134
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:34,130
outperformed paper investments yet no

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word about IRAs if you would like to

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[Music]

1138
00:53:11,779 --> 00:53:09,240
we returned with Chris O'Brien our two

1139
00:53:14,359 --> 00:53:11,789
of the para cast our special guest is

1140
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:14,369
George filer I'm gene Steinberg you're

1141
00:53:19,269 --> 00:53:16,650
in the para cast and let's now continue

1142
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:19,279
to look at the abduction scenario now

1143
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:22,380
these days uf abductions have become

1144
00:53:27,579 --> 00:53:24,900
controversial because of obviously

1145
00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:27,589
attacks against two of the well-known

1146
00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:30,390
abduction investigators Budd Hopkins and

1147
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:33,180
dr. David Jacobs do you know them yes

1148
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,599
I've been in their homes okay so what do

1149
00:53:41,660 --> 00:53:38,640
you think about their methodology and

1150
00:53:44,509 --> 00:53:41,670
about the things they do and about the

1151
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,519
criticisms about their work well I think

1152
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:46,920
they're you know fine individuals they

1153
00:53:53,299 --> 00:53:51,599
they may have been you know came up with

1154
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:53,309
their own concept of what was happening

1155
00:53:59,359 --> 00:53:55,740
and you know talking together came up

1156
00:54:01,009 --> 00:53:59,369
with a procedure and so on but I feel

1157
00:54:03,859 --> 00:54:01,019
that their what they came up with is

1158
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:03,869
fairly logical and obviously they're not

1159
00:54:07,339 --> 00:54:05,579
the only researchers in the field

1160
00:54:10,759 --> 00:54:07,349
there's many others and they've come

1161
00:54:14,779 --> 00:54:10,769
these similar conclusions maybe not

1162
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:14,789
agree with you know everything we're in

1163
00:54:20,839 --> 00:54:17,849
the field that frankly you know very

1164
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:20,849
little money is put into and yet it may

1165
00:54:26,359 --> 00:54:23,970
be the most important scientific

1166
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:26,369
endeavor for our whole country if not

1167
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,220
the world and yet you know very little

1168
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:32,240
is done in that way dr. John Mack a

1169
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:36,930
psychiatrist from was at Harvard thought

1170
00:54:40,999 --> 00:54:38,730
it was all nonsense and started

1171
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:41,009
investigating on his own and he came up

1172
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,690
with some Lert you know decisions that

1173
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,460
there's something that in fact some kind

1174
00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:49,920
of abductions earth was going on and

1175
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:53,000
that you know when there's aliens or

1176
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:55,609
somebody else we don't know for certain

1177
00:55:02,539 --> 00:54:58,410
but the whole field should be looked

1178
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:02,549
into the great deal of care and you know

1179
00:55:07,339 --> 00:55:05,670
money and so on put up no one that I

1180
00:55:10,819 --> 00:55:07,349
know of in the field other than writing

1181
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:10,829
a book once in a while you know receives

1182
00:55:19,819 --> 00:55:15,930
any money for this research and put a

1183
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:19,829
blood layer without a lot of money being

1184
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:20,460
spent

1185
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:21,990
probably never know for sure what's

1186
00:55:30,859 --> 00:55:25,680
going on another way to well we need

1187
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,869
doctors and you know I understand the

1188
00:55:34,339 --> 00:55:32,400
point but do you think when you have

1189
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:34,349
laymen who are doing the hypnotic

1190
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:36,089
sessions and doing the research do you

1191
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:39,000
think that hurts the possibility of

1192
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:41,310
getting some really solid information as

1193
00:55:46,540 --> 00:55:44,670
to what's going on well what's not

1194
00:55:48,980 --> 00:55:46,550
general you know there's many abductees

1195
00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:48,990
have been effect almost all the

1196
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:52,380
abductees remember some of the things

1197
00:55:59,950 --> 00:55:57,210
that happen and the in the hypnosis is

1198
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,960
really just to get more information I

1199
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:02,640
mean it's not like you grab a person on

1200
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:06,599
the street so to speak and there's no

1201
00:56:10,780 --> 00:56:08,760
you know interest in the field or

1202
00:56:13,339 --> 00:56:10,790
doesn't feel that anything's going on

1203
00:56:17,570 --> 00:56:13,349
I've talked to quite a few people that

1204
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:17,580
you know have detailed memories from the

1205
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:19,410
time they were you know five years old

1206
00:56:25,070 --> 00:56:22,770
and so on and being taken aboard craft

1207
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:25,080
that could and the life there's

1208
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:28,290
certainly some things going on so it's

1209
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:30,510
not a question of someone hypnotizing

1210
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,500
them and saying you were subject to some

1211
00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:36,960
kind of sexual experimentation they're

1212
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:38,750
going to make a hybrid version of you

1213
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:40,890
this is not what's happening these

1214
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:42,630
people have had the experiences and they

1215
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:45,570
go then to and a researcher and try to

1216
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,720
get some answers usually at least when

1217
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,540
they call me they'll they're pretty sure

1218
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:53,520
that they've been taken and so on

1219
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,160
and they've had these experiences and

1220
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,200
you know remember seeing the UFO and all

1221
00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:02,880
this kind of thing and seeing some

1222
00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:06,119
strange alien looking people although

1223
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:09,830
sometimes they look pretty much like us

1224
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:12,390
in other words I think there's enough

1225
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:14,609
information there that would indicate

1226
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:18,770
that something is in fact going on

1227
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:22,140
seriously people I didn't believe either

1228
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:25,260
but after why you talk to enough people

1229
00:57:32,089 --> 00:57:28,710
you say hey something's happening and

1230
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:32,099
these people scars and so on that would

1231
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:33,780
indicate that

1232
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:35,370
something strange is going on in their

1233
00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:38,850
lives but you do feel that this is this

1234
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:42,030
is pretty much if not 100% it's

1235
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:45,300
exclusively an et scenario with the ETS

1236
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:49,110
being the perpetrators pretty much I

1237
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:51,720
mean there could be you know something

1238
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:55,710
we're not aware of for the sake of

1239
00:58:02,270 --> 00:58:00,480
argument you know like like demons and

1240
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:02,280
that bulls they talked about in the

1241
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:05,160
Bible something like that or well how

1242
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:07,050
about how about our own government of

1243
00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:09,900
course the MyLab theory military

1244
00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:13,860
abductions I'm often reminded of the the

1245
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:16,440
kind of humorous episode on the x-files

1246
00:58:21,350 --> 00:58:18,570
where these two military intelligence

1247
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:21,360
guys are conducting an abduction dressed

1248
00:58:25,550 --> 00:58:23,310
as aliens and then the real aliens come

1249
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:25,560
down and abduct them do you feel that

1250
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:28,200
our military is possibly involved in

1251
00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:32,040
some sort of clandestine project sort of

1252
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:35,880
creating fake abduction scenarios well I

1253
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:38,310
don't know I doubt if the military would

1254
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:42,330
do it but some some organization may be

1255
00:58:49,550 --> 00:58:44,820
doing it to try to find out what in fact

1256
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:49,560
is happening you know that it would be

1257
00:58:54,860 --> 00:58:52,530
foolish least in my opinion if

1258
00:58:58,820 --> 00:58:54,870
government's aren't you know looking

1259
00:59:02,770 --> 00:58:58,830
into this there's enough evidence you

1260
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:02,780
know that frankly they're on radar and I

1261
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:07,530
probably get you know photo a day of a

1262
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:10,200
UFO and in other words there's evidence

1263
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:15,540
coming in continuously and I'm just one

1264
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:19,200
person doing this and yeah every week

1265
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:26,640
you have an one or stuff that you

1266
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:29,130
actually publish in your newsletter are

1267
00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:31,050
you basically collecting information do

1268
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:34,380
you go out yourself at times to talk to

1269
00:59:41,890 --> 00:59:39,330
witnesses to go on the scene yes I I do

1270
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:41,900
that sometimes you know if they're

1271
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:44,310
reasonably close to me

1272
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:48,990
I don't while just getting to meet

1273
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:52,160
somebody is often difficult and we have

1274
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:56,970
I'm in New Jersey and we have some 10

1275
01:00:02,570 --> 00:59:58,650
investigators in different parts of the

1276
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:02,580
state to go out to you know or wherever

1277
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:06,180
there's abduction very exciting close by

1278
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:07,530
and they'll go and talk to these people

1279
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:11,520
and then if it's what I consider a good

1280
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:14,880
case I'll also try to call and talk to

1281
01:00:21,140 --> 01:00:17,010
the people in some cases go on meet them

1282
01:00:23,660 --> 01:00:21,150
know now when it comes to abductions we

1283
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,670
want you know scientists therapists

1284
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:26,640
doctors psychologists in there do you

1285
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:29,160
have people like that at your beck and

1286
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:32,310
call so if you get that kind of case you

1287
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:34,170
can call them up and say you know you

1288
01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:38,640
gotta look into this well enough most of

1289
01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:43,700
the our people are ex-military and X

1290
01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:45,960
didn't want you know detectives on

1291
01:00:51,980 --> 01:00:48,180
police forces and so on and have come in

1292
01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:51,990
contact with various abductions and you

1293
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:53,790
might caught they're very in their

1294
01:00:59,590 --> 01:00:56,700
normal work and then once they've

1295
01:01:03,160 --> 01:00:59,600
retired of you know continued

1296
01:01:05,330 --> 01:01:03,170
researching in this field we don't have

1297
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:05,340
at least right now I don't

1298
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:07,470
well I have one doctor that we can go to

1299
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:11,010
and we have several people in the mental

1300
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:14,730
field that but isn't that the most

1301
01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:16,530
important aspect of doing this abduction

1302
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:18,540
research you've gotta sit there you're

1303
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:20,570
dealing with people who have undergone

1304
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,680
psychological damage probably at some

1305
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:25,200
point in time and you need to probe

1306
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:27,000
further isn't that something that the

1307
01:01:32,050 --> 01:01:28,680
professionals really ought to do most of

1308
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:32,060
the research on well they should be but

1309
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:35,970
generally they're frankly not interested

1310
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:38,310
in doing this where they won't work for

1311
01:01:45,110 --> 01:01:42,330
free that's that's part of the problem

1312
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:45,120
with the field that there's you know

1313
01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:46,770
very little money given to it obviously

1314
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:49,830
the government does give any money that

1315
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:53,190
we're aware of that's both a way and you

1316
01:01:56,970 --> 01:01:54,690
know we'll go back to that again you

1317
01:01:58,859 --> 01:01:56,980
think many of these cases are

1318
01:02:01,920 --> 01:01:58,869
these cases and of course the prospect

1319
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:01,930
raised by Chris before that maybe the

1320
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:04,390
government is doing some kind of

1321
01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:06,670
disinformation that they are creating

1322
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:09,220
the scenario of a UFO abduction for

1323
01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:12,310
purposes you know just maybe to study

1324
01:02:15,870 --> 01:02:14,830
the human mind learn how we deal with

1325
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,880
certain kinds of crises

1326
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:17,440
we'll ask more about that in a moment we

1327
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:19,810
have George filer he has his publication

1328
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:23,230
filers files and I have provided a link

1329
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:25,810
at the para cast comm if you click on

1330
01:02:30,270 --> 01:02:27,910
that link you can check the archives of

1331
01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:30,280
the newsletter and subscribe and if you

1332
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:31,750
have a comment or question send it to

1333
01:02:36,540 --> 01:02:34,090
news at the para cast com that's news at

1334
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:36,550
the para cast comm dacosta's Chris

1335
01:02:42,350 --> 01:02:39,010
O'Brien I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the

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out on iTunes we returned with George

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filer and publication he has his filers

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files

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he's an Eastern director for the mutual

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UFO network and so let me just rephrase

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the question as we pick up this segment

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of the power cast and that is George

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what about that do you think that the

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government has from time to time engage

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in some kind of research project

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creating scenarios involving UFO

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abductions to see how we behave I've

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heard you know those stories but I've

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you know personally have no knowledge of

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any programs that the government might

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have in some ways I hope that they do

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have some programs to investigate what's

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going on okay now if all this is

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happening around us abductions do you

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think maybe that our government not only

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knows about it but says to ET all right

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if you don't attack us go ahead and do a

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little research on the side it's all

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speculation but it would be important to

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do research in this if you know assuming

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this is all really happening but you

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know I ran into FBI and CIA people and

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they're always asking me questions

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that's that's almost scary right there

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because if they don't know boy it

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doesn't sound like their you know

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government government's like to be in

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control and it doesn't sound like they

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are in control of the situation I the

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other thing

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we've gone to several presidents well

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Carter and Ford for example on personal

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level you mean you thought in their

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personal round friends of friends okay

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type thing but you know people in MUFON

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have gone to them as friends of friends

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and matter of fact even done favors for

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them that kind of thing in other words

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they most likely would get a reasonable

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answer and and they've indicated that

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they've asked you know people in

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government as president and in fact I've

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got a letter from President Ford and he

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said that you know as a congressman as

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head of the House of Representatives as

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vice president as president he had asked

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about UFOs and never got any good

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information frankly in other words even

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at the highest levels of government it

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doesn't seem like at least they're not

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giving the president's answers well we

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must assume that they the government

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does have quite an extensive database

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gun camera footage all sorts of data if

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it's not being revealed to the highest

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levels of government who who do you

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think is holding on to this information

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obviously the intelligence agencies but

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but how do you think it's being

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compartmentalized and and do you think

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that there's really anybody that does

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know the full picture that's probably

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that's why if there is I haven't been

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able to locate I'd be happy to help me

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to I'll take notes for you too you can

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bring me along I'll carry your suitcase

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and take those propelled me and put man

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active duty well this is a question I do

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ask of people been in the military and

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talk you know we're in a very public way

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about UFO reality since you left the Air

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Force has anyone from the government

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come to you and said you know George you

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know tone it down a little bit know

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I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a

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bad thing Jean now that it's almost like

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they don't care frankly or don't take it

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seriously I would say would be even

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closer to or don't want to put any undue

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attention on it you know just kind of

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leave it leave it alone maybe like the

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cat when it covers its paws on its eyes

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to hide from something that it's in in

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fear of maybe they're just in a place of

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fear and it's just out of sight out of

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mind you know you know a lot of our best

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information frankly comes from you know

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China and South American countries they

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seem that be more open about this and

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you know many millions of people in

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China but Lee then you know UFOs and the

1550
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:23,410
whole concept and in our studying it

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01:12:28,030 --> 01:12:26,090
largest group the largest UFO group on

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the planet is I think almost half a

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million or over a half a million members

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01:12:35,730 --> 01:12:32,750
of a Chinese UFO organization and

1555
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they're making tremendous strides in

1556
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technology in a lot of other ways I

1557
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:42,530
think we're we're losing out assuming

1558
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:46,130
that you know these crafts are real and

1559
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:49,010
so on and I've had them on radar and

1560
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:51,370
seen them and I get pictures every day

1561
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:54,560
so I would assume that there's that they

1562
01:13:01,390 --> 01:12:57,650
are real that they have a raised amazing

1563
01:13:03,550 --> 01:13:01,400
technology and we know that like

1564
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:03,560
McDonnell Douglas had our whole research

1565
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:05,900
and development program trying to find

1566
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,130
out in the 60s you know what how these

1567
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things operated and so on and and many

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01:13:18,730 --> 01:13:15,980
of the people there received by files or

1569
01:13:20,980 --> 01:13:18,740
I think I sent it to about a thousand

1570
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:20,990
Air Force people and all kinds of you

1571
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:25,370
know Boeing and Lockheed and all these

1572
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:27,890
kind of people they're just by the

1573
01:13:33,220 --> 01:13:30,410
people who take my files I get interest

1574
01:13:35,779 --> 01:13:33,230
you know indication that they are very

1575
01:13:38,649 --> 01:13:35,789
interested what the UFOs are doing

1576
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:38,659
and I think we need to study it further

1577
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:41,760
now maybe it's you know Steven Greer

1578
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:44,550
thinks a lot of it as being studied by

1579
01:13:50,209 --> 01:13:47,840
private organizations and not by they go

1580
01:13:52,879 --> 01:13:50,219
well okay is there any evidence of this

1581
01:13:54,620 --> 01:13:52,889
I mean whatever Steven Greer says you

1582
01:13:57,229 --> 01:13:54,630
know a lot of us tend to dispute what he

1583
01:13:59,209 --> 01:13:57,239
says and tend to consider him very much

1584
01:14:01,149 --> 01:13:59,219
an opportunist you know he's just

1585
01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:01,159
basically in there for himself he's

1586
01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:04,710
making statements that there doesn't

1587
01:14:10,759 --> 01:14:07,670
appear to be any evidence to support so

1588
01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:10,769
in as much as we consider what Steven

1589
01:14:16,069 --> 01:14:14,190
Greer might be doing okay all right if

1590
01:14:19,069 --> 01:14:16,079
the private investigations going on

1591
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:19,079
other than a place like a MUFON or a

1592
01:14:25,759 --> 01:14:21,570
similar organization where's it being

1593
01:14:29,959 --> 01:14:25,769
done our big corporations engage in this

1594
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:29,969
somewhere well Steven state seems to

1595
01:14:35,770 --> 01:14:32,820
think so but not now what company is

1596
01:14:38,330 --> 01:14:35,780
doing and I don't know we did find some

1597
01:14:39,919 --> 01:14:38,340
indications of the document at McDonnell

1598
01:14:42,049 --> 01:14:39,929
Douglas that would indicate that they

1599
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:42,059
were studying UFOs

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:45,420
back in the 60s and that and several

1601
01:14:51,109 --> 01:14:49,050
other large companies were but you know

1602
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,119
they they have research and development

1603
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:54,000
teams and they could spend and spend

1604
01:14:58,220 --> 01:14:56,820
some money on that pindy actually since

1605
01:15:02,000 --> 01:14:58,230
you know Project Blue Book and

1606
01:15:06,049 --> 01:15:02,010
everything closed down what was the late

1607
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:06,059
sixties you know indicate that our

1608
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:09,210
government is stunning and the whole

1609
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:15,750
system much and well I have to go school

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01:15:20,569 --> 01:15:18,510
with one of the chairman of the joint

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friends of mine don't seem to know

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anything about it I'll tell you what

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we'll get into more event in a moment

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because that raises a lot of important

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questions yeah

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listening to the podcast the gold

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we returned Chris O'Brien the co-host

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the guest is George filer filers files

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is the publication I'm gene Steinberger

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in the para cast so okay what I'm

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hearing from talking to you is that a

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lot of people in the government despite

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everything that's gone on in the modern

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UFO era since World War two they don't

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know a heck of a lot about it my local

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congressman for example I'm also the

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president a local Air Force Association

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chapter and we work closely with several

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congressmen well any case in talking to

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the congressman in our dinners and

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things they indicate that they don't

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receive any a very small amount of

1749
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information about UFOs that you know you

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and I are interested in the subjects and

1751
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we hear about it a lot and so on and we

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think it's very important but but those

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in the government in many other areas

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just don't know about it they don't see

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the data that we get as a matter of fact

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I encourage all of those people

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listening that they have any connections

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with any their congressmen to bring it

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up to them that's right get them working

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on something except getting reelected my

1761
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congressman's Saxon said that you know

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most politicians are afraid of it

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because if if the individual politicians

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stood up and said we are to study UFOs

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everybody would say there's a crank and

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you know crazy and all that and he said

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that it would take at least three or

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four congressmen to you know I look into

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it to do much he also thought the same

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Obama you know to stand up with the

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governments you know will say the head

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of China and you know the UK and so on

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saying well there we really are being

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investigated by UFOs and we should take

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it seriously in other words even a head

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of state one

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someone having problems standing up and

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explaining the whole situation so Obama

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is not going to be doing a press

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conference with an alien on either side

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as some researchers have suggested that

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is eminent that we Bhama is getting

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ready I think there's even a story last

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week in Chinese newspaper according to a

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rather dubious source from the all news

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web that the Chinese were making noises

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that they think that Obama is going to

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have some sort of disclosure event very

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soon oh what do you think about that

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doesn't sound like you think that's very

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possible

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well I'm only going by what the

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congressman said but I our country lose

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media and so on doesn't accept UFOs very

1795
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well although there's it's kind of

1796
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interesting that these programs like V

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come on on a regular basis

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but kind of like my saying allowing the

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public to realize that maybe there may

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be some of this Israel of course V by

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the way is not doing all that well in

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the ratings that's too bad there's not

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but but it's an interesting program

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nevertheless that indicates that the you

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know aliens are here and they're

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apparently friendly and they're doing

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all these wonderful things for us

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yeah but envy the aliens or reptiles who

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are here to assimilate us into their

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society

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I gather engage in some kind of who

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knows hybridization right but that's

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they appear as nice guys so to speak but

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they're really not as what the story is

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saying and that may be the case that

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that's what they're trying to teach us

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well you know it's just traditional you

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know we've been talking about the aliens

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on the loose and science fiction movies

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and TV since what the 1950s I mean even

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if you go back to Flash Gordon the movie

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serials

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well the evil emperor from the planet

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comes to earth because he wants to

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destroy us well he doesn't come to earth

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he just sends his dastardly ray

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to destroy Earth's atmosphere Ming the

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Merciless ruler of a universe it's also

1829
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possible that we're being duped you know

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that this is a civilization that lives

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under the sea it makes it look like

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they're coming in from space or whatever

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you know there's always possibilities

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okay what's the other

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possibility okay we're assuming it's et

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based on conventional wisdom but are I

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you raised it there was a book out

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called the crypto terrestrials by the

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late Mac Tony's and that's not the first

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time people have suggested that we have

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advanced civilizations within the earth

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that arrive in UFOs and maybe pretend if

1843
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they get in touch with us that they are

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et because they don't want us to know

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where they are really from so you would

1846
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take this seriously at all yeah it's

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certainly a possibility or even you know

1848
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Jacques ballets feels that they're from

1849
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he might say a different dimension that

1850
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we can't see I don't know if I believe

1851
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:51,630
in different dimensions but you know

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just outside of what we can see animal

1853
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animals can see certain things that we

1854
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can't they hear certain things that we

1855
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can't so it just might be out of what

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what we can perceive you know as humans

1857
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and that they're really there all the

1858
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time so to speak and live amongst us I

1859
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:16,470
mean all these are possible we have the

1860
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Bible discussing you know demons and all

1861
01:26:27,250 --> 01:26:21,450
these kind of things that there's a

1862
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whole nother world you might say that

1863
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I'm not sure we've really explained or

1864
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even explored but you know religion in a

1865
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sense is exploring and them and exorcism

1866
01:26:42,140 --> 01:26:39,540
and all that kind of thing as long and

1867
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short of it is you're not then the 100%

1868
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nuts and bolts kind of guy now I'm not a

1869
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100% but I had to add a hand but I saw

1870
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you know the big craft that I saw and

1871
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lights in the sky and you know the radar

1872
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returns and so on would indicate that

1873
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:01,480
that was something

1874
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either a big display or was most likely

1875
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something coming in from another planet

1876
01:27:16,170 --> 01:27:13,870
hey big display okay that raises another

1877
01:27:18,270 --> 01:27:16,180
question - is it possible what we're

1878
01:27:20,430 --> 01:27:18,280
seeing is like some kind of advanced

1879
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,440
holographic image I mean if you go to

1880
01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:22,239
Star Trek and you look at the 23rd and

1881
01:27:25,470 --> 01:27:23,260
24th century

1882
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:25,480
well the holodeck you can go in there

1883
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:27,610
and you can see you can feel you can

1884
01:27:32,250 --> 01:27:29,950
touch you can taste but it's all

1885
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,260
computerized recreation so we think a

1886
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civilization that's a thousand years

1887
01:27:38,940 --> 01:27:36,070
ahead of us a million years ahead of us

1888
01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:38,950
they could create images that are

1889
01:27:44,670 --> 01:27:40,870
tracked on radar but they aren't really

1890
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:44,680
there it's possible you know they don't

1891
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:49,510
bring down fighter planes well you know

1892
01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:51,910
they we'd all know this for certain but

1893
01:27:57,870 --> 01:27:56,380
you know you can do various maneuvers in

1894
01:28:02,670 --> 01:27:57,880
an aircraft where you essentially

1895
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:02,680
destroy yourself and that in fact may

1896
01:28:05,790 --> 01:28:04,450
have happened you know you say you think

1897
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:05,800
maybe some of these are all of these

1898
01:28:12,780 --> 01:28:09,250
episodes where craft aircraft our own

1899
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:12,790
supposedly lost because of UFOs they may

1900
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:15,010
have done things that just were

1901
01:28:20,220 --> 01:28:16,810
screw-ups they just screwed up they made

1902
01:28:22,110 --> 01:28:20,230
a mistake they crash but not because et

1903
01:28:24,630 --> 01:28:22,120
or the crypto terrestrials were out

1904
01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:24,640
there well particularly if they are

1905
01:28:29,850 --> 01:28:27,480
being fooled you know what I'm saying

1906
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:29,860
they're chasing after the fantasy

1907
01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:32,110
they're chasing after a fantasy right

1908
01:28:40,050 --> 01:28:37,270
all these are possibilities and you know

1909
01:28:42,630 --> 01:28:40,060
Mew finds a couple thousand people and I

1910
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:42,640
don't know how many people in there but

1911
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:45,610
I think there's one person paid or maybe

1912
01:28:53,190 --> 01:28:49,810
two you know and move on and and the

1913
01:28:58,290 --> 01:28:53,200
rest of all doing this is you know on

1914
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the side and in addition to other jobs

1915
01:29:03,540 --> 01:29:00,210
and so in other words we're not spending

1916
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you know our full time and efforts in

1917
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:05,320
research actually because I'm retired

1918
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now after you left the Air Force what

1919
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did you do what was your line of work

1920
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:16,810
well I had a master's degree in business

1921
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and I worked with various companies and

1922
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taught school I was vice president of

1923
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Med Corps in Princeton University

1924
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just outside of Princeton I'll tell you

1925
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what we'll get into more of this in a

1926
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moment we have George filer the

1927
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publication filer is files I'm Jean

1928
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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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let's go Berkey calm today you know the

1982
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1983
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your hand you've read books listen to

1984
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podcasts attended lectures surfed

1985
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websites and watched videos you've made

1986
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Liberty your life's goal but something

1987
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seems to be missing stickers from

1988
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Liberty stickers calm exercise your

1989
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freedom of speech with the world's most

1990
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dangerous bumper stickers that's Liberty

1991
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stickers calm but wait there's more

1992
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you can find Liberty stickers wholesale

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get them for 99 cents each when you put

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a hundred or more on your shopping cart

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them away the gray fur gun shows flea

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extra money promote freedom and spread

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the word lead custom stickers labels or

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decals for your organization or business

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Liberty stickers makes them go to

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call eight seven seven eight seven three

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2028
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2029
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2030
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:08,050
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2031
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:11,130
[Applause]

2032
01:34:18,090 --> 01:34:15,040
our guest is George filer beefin Eastern

2033
01:34:20,610 --> 01:34:18,100
director he's also the publisher editor

2034
01:34:22,530 --> 01:34:20,620
of filers files an online publication

2035
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:22,540
that comes out every week or so with the

2036
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:25,690
latest UFO news and views I'm Jean

2037
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:28,000
Steinberger in the power cast now I want

2038
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:30,970
to ask you about a story George came out

2039
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:35,440
a while ago involving the American

2040
01:34:45,330 --> 01:34:40,210
representative for certain one-armed UFO

2041
01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:45,340
contactee in Europe and I'll ask you the

2042
01:34:49,950 --> 01:34:46,720
question then what is your position

2043
01:34:55,070 --> 01:34:49,960
about the billy meier case well when I

2044
01:34:57,930 --> 01:34:55,080
noticed as you know I've had my

2045
01:35:01,320 --> 01:34:57,940
experience in other words I saw my UFO

2046
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:01,330
so to speak and I can sit down to write

2047
01:35:07,380 --> 01:35:04,890
a book and I've got you know four pages

2048
01:35:09,540 --> 01:35:07,390
billy meier if he's had done the rather

2049
01:35:14,460 --> 01:35:09,550
write a book head you know four or five

2050
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:14,470
pages of sightings in other words I feel

2051
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:20,290
that he had some real sightings he may

2052
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:23,290
even have had some real contacts but I

2053
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:27,610
think he used a lot of filler and maybe

2054
01:35:35,190 --> 01:35:31,650
even did some of his own in other words

2055
01:35:37,530 --> 01:35:35,200
many of his pictures look real to me and

2056
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:37,540
I've had him analyzed and so on and that

2057
01:35:42,750 --> 01:35:40,690
they probably were real but sir that

2058
01:35:45,180 --> 01:35:42,760
goes by the way against everything we've

2059
01:35:49,530 --> 01:35:45,190
heard I mean our former co-host David

2060
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:49,540
Viet knee here duplicated very well one

2061
01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:52,480
of the billy meier photographs in a

2062
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:55,270
sense he exposed it for what it was we

2063
01:36:01,890 --> 01:35:57,370
had another one for our former guests

2064
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:01,900
who created his own variation on the

2065
01:36:05,420 --> 01:36:04,960
wedding cake photos you know wedding

2066
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:05,430
cakes

2067
01:36:11,460 --> 01:36:07,630
frankly I think the wedding cake photos

2068
01:36:14,970 --> 01:36:11,470
are not real my personal favor that I

2069
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:14,980
just love that I'm giving you the

2070
01:36:19,710 --> 01:36:16,690
benefit of doubt and saying that I think

2071
01:36:23,319 --> 01:36:19,720
that song of what he did and saw was

2072
01:36:26,889 --> 01:36:23,329
real but much of it

2073
01:36:29,290 --> 01:36:26,899
not that's my session well how did how

2074
01:36:32,979 --> 01:36:29,300
did this particular representative for

2075
01:36:34,419 --> 01:36:32,989
Meyer somehow lassu on to your name and

2076
01:36:38,739 --> 01:36:34,429
say that you've signed off on and you're

2077
01:36:42,579 --> 01:36:38,749
now a supporter of he said he sent me

2078
01:36:44,529 --> 01:36:42,589
some photographs you might call I don't

2079
01:36:47,319 --> 01:36:44,539
know if you've ever seen the book the

2080
01:36:49,299 --> 01:36:47,329
books that were put out oh yeah Billy

2081
01:36:53,589 --> 01:36:49,309
Mize lien grid elders and Wendell

2082
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:53,599
Stevens right and that I knew one know

2083
01:36:59,799 --> 01:36:58,010
pretty goodness he went to Switzerland

2084
01:37:01,779 --> 01:36:59,809
and went to the spots where the pictures

2085
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:01,789
were taken and so on I'm felt that a

2086
01:37:08,199 --> 01:37:05,209
one-armed man was unlikely to be able to

2087
01:37:11,379 --> 01:37:08,209
take these pictures and I basically

2088
01:37:14,020 --> 01:37:11,389
believed you know Wendell said is a

2089
01:37:20,579 --> 01:37:14,030
lieutenant colonel retired Air Force and

2090
01:37:23,079 --> 01:37:20,589
so on and but I don't believe everything

2091
01:37:25,449 --> 01:37:23,089
about it is also that's a specious

2092
01:37:27,939 --> 01:37:25,459
argument well a one-armed man couldn't

2093
01:37:30,759 --> 01:37:27,949
take these pictures so he has helped big

2094
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:30,769
deal well that's true but I'm just

2095
01:37:35,949 --> 01:37:32,570
saying that I don't think it was I think

2096
01:37:38,679 --> 01:37:35,959
that he he saw some UFOs and took

2097
01:37:42,579 --> 01:37:38,689
pictures of real your thoughts but I

2098
01:37:46,060 --> 01:37:42,589
think he had limited amounts and decided

2099
01:37:48,429 --> 01:37:46,070
to do more that's that's my analysis of

2100
01:37:51,009 --> 01:37:48,439
this situation I'm saying I'm correct

2101
01:37:52,299 --> 01:37:51,019
I'm just saying as my analysis what do

2102
01:37:53,979 --> 01:37:52,309
you think of the cult that's kind of

2103
01:37:57,310 --> 01:37:53,989
grown up around him over the years the

2104
01:38:01,209 --> 01:37:57,320
the belief system that's sprung up a lot

2105
01:38:03,099 --> 01:38:01,219
of movie stars have gone there and you

2106
01:38:07,299 --> 01:38:03,109
know Shirley MacLaine and different ones

2107
01:38:09,729 --> 01:38:07,309
and I think that they saw enough to make

2108
01:38:14,549 --> 01:38:09,739
them believe that something he was doing

2109
01:38:18,879 --> 01:38:14,559
was real in other words I don't think

2110
01:38:21,339 --> 01:38:18,889
what I've seen on quite a few cases here

2111
01:38:24,849 --> 01:38:21,349
when I've investigated that the people

2112
01:38:27,339 --> 01:38:24,859
will see something you know and and get

2113
01:38:30,939 --> 01:38:27,349
some pictures and so on but then they

2114
01:38:34,689 --> 01:38:30,949
want to do more and so then they start

2115
01:38:36,730 --> 01:38:34,699
faking stuff and so on and I that's what

2116
01:38:39,220 --> 01:38:36,740
I think what happened with him

2117
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:39,230
that's my analysis I could be wrong and

2118
01:38:45,580 --> 01:38:43,280
all might be fake you know but I think

2119
01:38:49,330 --> 01:38:45,590
he I think he did have some contacts and

2120
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:49,340
so on no I'd sure like him to introduce

2121
01:38:57,190 --> 01:38:55,730
me to a semi aussies daughter well it

2122
01:38:59,140 --> 01:38:57,200
doesn't matter if the case is real or

2123
01:39:01,420 --> 01:38:59,150
not if she has a daughter and of course

2124
01:39:03,790 --> 01:39:01,430
we have an eligible young man in the

2125
01:39:05,740 --> 01:39:03,800
person of Chris O'Brien certainly he

2126
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:05,750
would like to have somebody he would

2127
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like to you know be friendly with yeah

2128
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:10,400
maybe the aliens might come to earth and

2129
01:39:21,570 --> 01:39:14,480
find the men to me sir I've interviewed

2130
01:39:25,090 --> 01:39:21,580
I don't know exactly 80 people that have

2131
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:25,100
you know have been in front of the

2132
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:27,290
aliens and talked to them and so on and

2133
01:39:36,910 --> 01:39:32,480
frequently they're you know basically

2134
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:36,920
Nordics and in other words I think

2135
01:39:43,420 --> 01:39:38,510
there's some truth to some of the

2136
01:39:46,510 --> 01:39:43,430
stories I you know they all could be

2137
01:39:48,190 --> 01:39:46,520
lying I don't know that's a larger

2138
01:39:50,740 --> 01:39:48,200
question I sometimes wonder some of

2139
01:39:53,380 --> 01:39:50,750
these early UFO contact these and we go

2140
01:39:56,170 --> 01:39:53,390
back to the early years of George

2141
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:56,180
Adamski and these people that maybe at

2142
01:40:02,880 --> 01:39:59,840
one time they had an experience we don't

2143
01:40:05,470 --> 01:40:02,890
know what kind unusual experience and

2144
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:05,480
you know they thought it was compelling

2145
01:40:11,500 --> 01:40:08,330
the experience was never repeated and

2146
01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:11,510
because it was never repeated well they

2147
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:14,450
had people who gave them a lot of

2148
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:16,880
attention they got their 15 minutes of

2149
01:40:22,270 --> 01:40:19,280
fame they wanted to get 30 minutes so

2150
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:22,280
they embellished the cases embellished

2151
01:40:26,650 --> 01:40:24,770
the encounters and then had to create

2152
01:40:28,510 --> 01:40:26,660
new encounters to keep the audience is

2153
01:40:30,970 --> 01:40:28,520
that what basically you're saying about

2154
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:30,980
billy meier something real happened once

2155
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:34,490
but now is all playing am i it may have

2156
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:36,170
been two or three times but I'm just

2157
01:40:44,700 --> 01:40:40,130
saying that I've run into that pattern

2158
01:40:48,340 --> 01:40:44,710
quite a few times that people have had

2159
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:48,350
encounters and they you know thought

2160
01:40:52,690 --> 01:40:50,239
they were real and all happen and so

2161
01:40:57,610 --> 01:40:52,700
and then they just want to continue the

2162
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:57,620
the notoriety etc and it's it's a way to

2163
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:00,800
make money not not a lot I don't think

2164
01:41:07,570 --> 01:41:02,690
anyone in the UFO field has ever been

2165
01:41:10,750 --> 01:41:07,580
become Richard handling UFOs I mean

2166
01:41:12,610 --> 01:41:10,760
there's a lot of other things I could do

2167
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:12,620
I'm sure they're gonna make a lot don't

2168
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:14,719
eat it then Willy's cheaper hasn't done

2169
01:41:19,420 --> 01:41:17,810
too bad Richard Hoagland Whitley

2170
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:19,430
Strieber hasn't done too bad Richard

2171
01:41:23,890 --> 01:41:21,730
Hoagland there's a few out there that

2172
01:41:27,250 --> 01:41:23,900
Schreiber wrote a lot of other books too

2173
01:41:31,209 --> 01:41:27,260
you know to fun and he found a niche

2174
01:41:33,310 --> 01:41:31,219
there well okay what about streamer do

2175
01:41:35,110 --> 01:41:33,320
you think streamer had this abduction

2176
01:41:37,930 --> 01:41:35,120
experience and then he found the gold

2177
01:41:39,970 --> 01:41:37,940
mine and said okay I'm going to take

2178
01:41:41,770 --> 01:41:39,980
this milk it for all it's worth we had

2179
01:41:43,570 --> 01:41:41,780
of course that movie which I don't think

2180
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:43,580
it did all that well but you know maybe

2181
01:41:46,420 --> 01:41:44,930
he made a lot of money from that do you

2182
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:46,430
think he turned it into a commercial

2183
01:41:50,500 --> 01:41:47,450
enterprise

2184
01:41:53,229 --> 01:41:50,510
beyond that and beyond the reality of

2185
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:53,239
the original experience well I don't

2186
01:41:58,720 --> 01:41:55,250
know streamer that well but I think I

2187
01:42:02,680 --> 01:41:58,730
think just based on his story and so so

2188
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:02,690
I know something initially happened and

2189
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:05,690
that he being a writer and so on does

2190
01:42:10,180 --> 01:42:08,239
continue I personally try to write

2191
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:10,190
everything that I find is true but

2192
01:42:16,630 --> 01:42:12,080
everything you don't know that every

2193
01:42:20,590 --> 01:42:16,640
story's true but you know you you hope

2194
01:42:22,810 --> 01:42:20,600
hope that it is okay now let's look at

2195
01:42:24,729 --> 01:42:22,820
filers files for a moment you have a lot

2196
01:42:26,350 --> 01:42:24,739
of information here how do you vet the

2197
01:42:29,530 --> 01:42:26,360
stories or are you mostly just

2198
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:29,540
collecting interesting tales of UFOs and

2199
01:42:35,890 --> 01:42:31,010
related information putting them

2200
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:35,900
together um mostly you know from week to

2201
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:38,690
week people are reporting their

2202
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:42,170
sightings or their you know group of

2203
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:45,110
people have sightings together I tend to

2204
01:42:52,660 --> 01:42:49,370
try to use sightings where you know more

2205
01:42:56,830 --> 01:42:52,670
than one person is involved and if

2206
01:43:01,330 --> 01:42:56,840
possible you know very close you know

2207
01:43:03,939 --> 01:43:01,340
and other cars stopping and so on and so

2208
01:43:06,729 --> 01:43:03,949
this way a lot of times when you

2209
01:43:09,879 --> 01:43:06,739
that the individuals that are reporting

2210
01:43:13,629 --> 01:43:09,889
the information within the first two

2211
01:43:15,219 --> 01:43:13,639
minutes when you talk to them you feel

2212
01:43:19,149 --> 01:43:15,229
that they're either telling the truth or

2213
01:43:22,299 --> 01:43:19,159
they're not no and not we also check you

2214
01:43:24,910 --> 01:43:22,309
know their background and are they

2215
01:43:27,790 --> 01:43:24,920
educated and you know what their belief

2216
01:43:30,580 --> 01:43:27,800
systems are and that kind of thing

2217
01:43:33,969 --> 01:43:30,590
some people stand out frankly as being

2218
01:43:38,219 --> 01:43:33,979
very honest and some stand out as being

2219
01:43:40,899 --> 01:43:38,229
a little off center suspect or whatever

2220
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:40,909
so basically basically Jorge you're

2221
01:43:44,890 --> 01:43:43,130
relying on your gut to some degree

2222
01:43:47,140 --> 01:43:44,900
you're saying you know what this story

2223
01:43:51,219 --> 01:43:47,150
doesn't feel right to me something is

2224
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:51,229
off about this let's experience you know

2225
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:57,110
that I've heard so many people and you

2226
01:44:01,779 --> 01:43:59,119
mentioned dr. Jacobs but I've attended

2227
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:01,789
dr. Jacobs meetings for several years

2228
01:44:07,419 --> 01:44:05,090
and might I don't know probably a

2229
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:07,429
hundred up doc days and I'm on my own

2230
01:44:14,859 --> 01:44:11,170
that you know people come to my own home

2231
01:44:16,779 --> 01:44:14,869
probably another 50 or so in other words

2232
01:44:19,989 --> 01:44:16,789
you get a feeling for what the stories

2233
01:44:20,949 --> 01:44:19,999
are and what's happening and some fit

2234
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:20,959
and some don't

2235
01:44:25,719 --> 01:44:23,360
I'm gonna ask you about that how you

2236
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:25,729
know the story doesn't cut it we're

2237
01:44:30,609 --> 01:44:28,159
talking to George filer the publication

2238
01:44:32,949 --> 01:44:30,619
filers files the co-host is Chris

2239
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:32,959
O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

2240
01:44:42,399 --> 01:44:39,599
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2241
01:44:44,649 --> 01:44:42,409
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2242
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2243
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2245
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2249
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2250
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2251
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2252
01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:10,550
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2253
01:45:14,319 --> 01:45:12,649
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2254
01:45:15,879 --> 01:45:14,329
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2255
01:45:17,649 --> 01:45:15,889
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2256
01:45:19,449 --> 01:45:17,659
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2257
01:45:21,279 --> 01:45:19,459
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2258
01:45:22,750 --> 01:45:21,289
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

2259
01:45:24,369 --> 01:45:22,760
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2260
01:45:25,509 --> 01:45:24,379
public currency is a greater menace to

2261
01:45:26,859 --> 01:45:25,519
the liberties of the people than a

2262
01:45:28,299 --> 01:45:26,869
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2263
01:45:30,129 --> 01:45:28,309
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2264
01:45:33,580 --> 01:45:30,139
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2265
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:33,590
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2266
01:45:45,549 --> 01:45:36,800
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2267
01:45:47,500 --> 01:45:45,559
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2268
01:45:50,799 --> 01:45:47,510
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2269
01:45:54,460 --> 01:45:50,809
paranormal radio and now here's gene

2270
01:46:06,189 --> 01:46:02,640
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2271
01:46:08,500 --> 01:46:06,199
we joined the final hour of the para

2272
01:46:10,180 --> 01:46:08,510
cast the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

2273
01:46:12,670 --> 01:46:10,190
gene Steinberg our guest this week

2274
01:46:15,070 --> 01:46:12,680
George filer the publication is filers

2275
01:46:17,979 --> 01:46:15,080
files so ok so if you're talking to a

2276
01:46:25,570 --> 01:46:17,989
potential abductee what do you look for

2277
01:46:35,170 --> 01:46:29,560
one case we investigated the sella felt

2278
01:46:38,350 --> 01:46:35,180
that you know he had some ability with

2279
01:46:42,209 --> 01:46:38,360
the aliens and so on and any case it

2280
01:46:45,370 --> 01:46:42,219
turned out that his alien was really a

2281
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:45,380
goose that he was feeding all the time

2282
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:47,690
other ways some people are really far

2283
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:52,250
off ok whoa whoa stop a second here ok

2284
01:46:57,729 --> 01:46:55,280
he's got a goose

2285
01:47:01,540 --> 01:46:57,739
it takes a gander at the goose and says

2286
01:47:04,030 --> 01:47:01,550
that goose is et basically you know that

2287
01:47:08,610 --> 01:47:04,040
that is tied in with aliens and so on

2288
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:08,620
and he's feeding and etc in other words

2289
01:47:16,990 --> 01:47:13,690
he's basically what I would call

2290
01:47:19,630 --> 01:47:17,000
mentally ill you know sometimes you run

2291
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:19,640
into that but most of most of the people

2292
01:47:27,580 --> 01:47:23,440
are just average people you know that

2293
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:27,590
work for America's country or companies

2294
01:47:33,450 --> 01:47:30,650
you know that sometimes they're in the

2295
01:47:37,060 --> 01:47:33,460
military sometimes they're you know

2296
01:47:40,300 --> 01:47:37,070
bakers and candlestick makers but in

2297
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:40,310
other words just the average person one

2298
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:41,930
interesting thing is we've run into a

2299
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:46,690
lot of nurses that claim to be abducted

2300
01:47:51,220 --> 01:47:49,130
I'm not sure why that is

2301
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:51,230
I've never heard that before do you want

2302
01:47:54,430 --> 01:47:52,130
to elaborate on that

2303
01:47:58,030 --> 01:47:54,440
well just that I've run into a whole

2304
01:48:03,130 --> 01:47:58,040
series of nurses through the years and

2305
01:48:04,630 --> 01:48:03,140
often interestingly that the mother will

2306
01:48:07,900 --> 01:48:04,640
be a nurse and the daughter will be a

2307
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:07,910
nurse and even when grandmother had you

2308
01:48:14,220 --> 01:48:11,449
know similar type background in any case

2309
01:48:18,740 --> 01:48:14,230
they all claim to been abducted for the

2310
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:18,750
and in other words I find that that

2311
01:48:24,209 --> 01:48:21,370
seems to be a line that seems to work

2312
01:48:28,830 --> 01:48:24,219
that often nurses are in the medical

2313
01:48:33,330 --> 01:48:28,840
field that are abductees another thing

2314
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:33,340
is that I always ask people you know

2315
01:48:39,919 --> 01:48:35,310
who's famous in your background and

2316
01:48:43,550 --> 01:48:39,929
often find that they're related to

2317
01:48:45,959 --> 01:48:43,560
someone of interest in their background

2318
01:48:47,790 --> 01:48:45,969
you know in what sense politically a

2319
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:47,800
famous politician showbusiness

2320
01:48:54,919 --> 01:48:50,130
personality yeah

2321
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:54,929
often leaders of some kind you know my

2322
01:49:00,540 --> 01:48:57,730
great-grandfather was a head of the

2323
01:49:05,010 --> 01:49:00,550
tribe a lot of a lot of Indian

2324
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:05,020
backgrounds for some reason or important

2325
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:09,250
and well Joan of Arc is one I can think

2326
01:49:15,979 --> 01:49:11,170
of that the family was related to Joan

2327
01:49:21,780 --> 01:49:18,180
choosing here is what you're saying or

2328
01:49:24,419 --> 01:49:21,790
suggest I'd and one of the things I

2329
01:49:27,419 --> 01:49:24,429
almost asked people as they come to me

2330
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:27,429
and say well you know I think I've been

2331
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,110
abducted or strange things have happened

2332
01:49:36,530 --> 01:49:32,320
to me and there's a lot of activity and

2333
01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:36,540
my background and I sounds funny but

2334
01:49:42,030 --> 01:49:39,310
whenever I get in there a TV set at what

2335
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:42,040
goes out or the lights go out or

2336
01:49:44,310 --> 01:49:42,489
whatever

2337
01:49:47,419 --> 01:49:44,320
now there was a lot a lot of electrical

2338
01:49:51,630 --> 01:49:47,429
things often happen in people's

2339
01:49:54,930 --> 01:49:51,640
background where they're hurting

2340
01:49:57,450 --> 01:49:54,940
electrical objects of some kind

2341
01:49:59,640 --> 01:49:57,460
in other words like people who can't

2342
01:50:03,030 --> 01:49:59,650
wear watches because the watches won't

2343
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:03,040
run yeah strange things like that that

2344
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:05,440
you know you don't know don't normally

2345
01:50:11,220 --> 01:50:08,410
think about but does I've seen that

2346
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:11,230
happen and then they're often claimed to

2347
01:50:18,410 --> 01:50:15,040
be related to someone famous or else so

2348
01:50:22,650 --> 01:50:18,420
that was here a couple of weeks ago

2349
01:50:25,140 --> 01:50:22,660
happened to be a contractor and work you

2350
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:25,150
know and well making things you know

2351
01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:27,010
like bathrooms and so on and

2352
01:50:31,940 --> 01:50:29,080
fixing up homes and I said well why

2353
01:50:34,290 --> 01:50:31,950
wouldn't it alien being RS didn't you

2354
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:34,300
yes they need to fix the plumbing on the

2355
01:50:43,110 --> 01:50:39,810
spaceship but he said that he was a

2356
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:43,120
wonderful athlete that all through high

2357
01:50:46,890 --> 01:50:44,560
school and everything you know he could

2358
01:50:50,370 --> 01:50:46,900
run faster than everyone else and he

2359
01:50:53,970 --> 01:50:50,380
could throw the shotput further and in

2360
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:53,980
other words he muscular capabilities was

2361
01:51:01,730 --> 01:50:57,370
much greater than the average person and

2362
01:51:04,860 --> 01:51:01,740
now I have we run into a few doctors but

2363
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:04,870
but they don't the aliens don't seem to

2364
01:51:10,710 --> 01:51:08,410
be after so much intelligence like their

2365
01:51:12,750 --> 01:51:10,720
their intelligence is greater than ours

2366
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:12,760
so they're not worried too much or Intel

2367
01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:14,410
about intelligence but they're looking

2368
01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:17,500
for less a muscular capabilities or

2369
01:51:24,030 --> 01:51:22,450
medical capabilities or sure but why

2370
01:51:25,620 --> 01:51:24,040
would a et want to look at one of our

2371
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:25,630
doctors they're supposedly are more

2372
01:51:34,140 --> 01:51:32,080
advanced than we are and in fact I don't

2373
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:34,150
know they seem to be it Wow one of the

2374
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:36,130
things that they're telling the nurses

2375
01:51:40,860 --> 01:51:38,770
particularly that there be useful in a

2376
01:51:45,930 --> 01:51:40,870
future time was some kind of the war

2377
01:51:49,230 --> 01:51:45,940
that they one of the themes that we

2378
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:49,240
often get is that when they're aboard

2379
01:51:56,820 --> 01:51:51,970
this craft are shown some kind of a like

2380
01:51:59,310 --> 01:51:56,830
a huge TV screen and the screen shows

2381
01:52:04,110 --> 01:51:59,320
some kind of a war going on and

2382
01:52:09,660 --> 01:52:04,120
interestingly that there's UFOs on both

2383
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:09,670
sides fighting alongside militaries of

2384
01:52:16,980 --> 01:52:12,730
different countries it's like one group

2385
01:52:20,850 --> 01:52:16,990
of militaries is aligned with one group

2386
01:52:23,390 --> 01:52:20,860
of aliens and aliens and another side

2387
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:23,400
are aligned with another group

2388
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:25,840
it sounds like good good material for a

2389
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:29,290
screenplay I mean that's good stuff many

2390
01:52:35,730 --> 01:52:33,010
times from the nurses you know you know

2391
01:52:39,379 --> 01:52:35,740
and most of this I don't particularly

2392
01:52:41,209 --> 01:52:39,389
like hypnosis I try to get it out

2393
01:52:44,179 --> 01:52:41,219
through another way and that is

2394
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:44,189
essentially that the while they're not

2395
01:52:49,310 --> 01:52:46,159
really hypnotizing themselves but when

2396
01:52:50,779 --> 01:52:49,320
when you wake up in the middle of the

2397
01:52:52,250 --> 01:52:50,789
night or just in the first part of the

2398
01:52:53,869 --> 01:52:52,260
morning you're kind of in this dream

2399
01:52:57,469 --> 01:52:53,879
state you know you're not really awake

2400
01:53:01,009 --> 01:52:57,479
but you're not really asleep either you

2401
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:01,019
can see what time it is or whatever but

2402
01:53:06,500 --> 01:53:04,169
at that time if you start remembering

2403
01:53:09,649 --> 01:53:06,510
when we were abducted or when you feel

2404
01:53:12,529 --> 01:53:09,659
the tree abducted sometimes you can go

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back and see it yourself other words

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it's kind of like a self-hypnosis and I

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encourage people to do that and they

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come up with a lot of data that way so

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that now they may be reading or

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something but basically this is

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information coming from them and I'm not

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giving them any information at a time

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like anything in other words I'm trying

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not to destroy the information that

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we're getting or Leeds witness by not

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pleading their witness and so I just

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need to throw in this little

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reminiscence I had a pretty

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I think legitimate witness he didn't

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seem to have any undue you know he just

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was a normal guy right and he called you

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called me up and he said that a pair of

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mourning doves would sit on the

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telephone wire outside his back door

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every day day after day after day and

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cubot him and he was convinced that they

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were robotic that he was being watched

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and it just that case I was reminded of

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when you had talked about your guy with

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the beating the goose I that's the class

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well this guy he I had no reason to

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doubt his sincerity he was a normal guy

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he didn't have any any overt signs of

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being unbalanced and he just needed to

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report this to me because he felt it was

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so strange I had another guy that had

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what he thought was the same pinyon J

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that would tap on his windows in a

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clockwise motion around his house and

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would sit there at the window flapping

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tapping on his window and this happened

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several days in a row and he felt that

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it was strange enough to call me we we

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just never know

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you know what to make of some of these

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you know reports but it's good that

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people at least think enough of them to

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call someone like yourself or me or

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other investigators to at least report

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this unusual animal behavior we have

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some questions on our the podcast forum

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a day well if I do that Chris in our

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Chris has collected a few questions from

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you want to sign up Chris what do you

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have for us well we have several

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questions you've answered actually a

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couple of them they were very interested

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in hearing more about your particular

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personal experience in England back in

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62 and we've covered that ground but I

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have another question here that's a

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pretty interesting and I'll just read it

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verbatim did you ever encounter any

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official documents on so-called quote

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space brothers unquote interactions and

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diagrams of so-called quote space

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brother unquote craft at nuclear fallout

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shelters on these on those bases I'm not

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sure what bases he's referring to I

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assume the nuclear fallout shelters are

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the bases he's talking about but does

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that term space brother does that jump

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out at you well I know what they're

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talking about he has it in quotes I have

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never seen a government document

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talks about that okay if you had I would

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have been a little bit frightened but

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that's that's that's good to know

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another question that I'm yeah and I've

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been the Wright Patterson on several

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occasions and talked to people there and

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several of them claimed that there was

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you know UFOs under the ground there no

2610
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I didn't see any but at least there was

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rumors on base to that effect and and

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well if you go down to homestead there

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was rumors to that with the Jackie

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Gleason right the famous Gleason's story

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sure well you brought up Wright

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Patterson that's interesting that kind

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of dovetails into another question which

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is I've heard mention of your very

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interesting event that occurred at Fort

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Dix I believe in New Jersey do you want

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to talk about that a little bit with you

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I think was the alien was seen at the

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end of the runway by the perimeter fence

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right did you want to talk about that

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intelligence officer major in the Air

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Force and briefing at 21st Air Force and

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any case I went into the command post

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about five o'clock in the morning and

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they told me that an alien had been shot

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at Fort Dix and had escaped from Fort

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Dix and run to the Air Force Base and

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was found on the end of the runway and

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that they wanted me to brief the general

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sadler you know at the eight o'clock

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briefing about that and I said something

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in effect that general Sadler doesn't

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have a good he doesn't take things you

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know funny so to speak that I just like

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Obama I mean the I understand next to he

2640
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says any case I did call around the base

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to 438th command post and they said that

2642
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was true and I called the security

2643
02:04:04,439 --> 02:04:02,559
police and they said yes that they had

2644
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found and you know I mean at the end of

2645
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the runway and then a c-141 was coming

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02:04:11,690 --> 02:04:10,539
in from wright-patterson to pick it up

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02:04:14,750 --> 02:04:11,700
and

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02:04:17,210 --> 02:04:14,760
what did they describe there's ever any

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case everyone said that it was a true

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story and it was about four feet high or

2651
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so didn't really describe him any detail

2652
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but at least on the base people everyone

2653
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that I talked to felt that the story was

2654
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true and what year was this that was

2655
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1978 January 18th 1978 and so they came

2656
02:04:44,660 --> 02:04:40,440
and retrieved the body I think this does

2657
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as I recall and I was told c-141 and

2658
02:04:52,870 --> 02:04:47,940
landed and was picking up two aliens and

2659
02:04:55,180 --> 02:04:52,880
taking it back to wright-patterson that

2660
02:04:59,180 --> 02:04:55,190
apparently wright-patterson is where

2661
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most of that kind of stuff goes so you

2662
02:05:03,380 --> 02:05:01,200
feel that there's a storehouse there

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there's a warehouse that's got crash

2664
02:05:08,450 --> 02:05:05,490
saucers alien bodies that sort of thing

2665
02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:08,460
what what do you think about that well

2666
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you thing happens that a three-star

2667
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general that was the second-in-command

2668
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of the base there and the command there

2669
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:23,580
that that's all nonsense and I knew him

2670
02:05:28,940 --> 02:05:26,730
pretty well in other words you can hear

2671
02:05:31,660 --> 02:05:28,950
stories from both sides one side will

2672
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say yes it happened and all and go on

2673
02:05:37,490 --> 02:05:35,010
other people other and will say no it

2674
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:37,500
doesn't happen so you think that there

2675
02:05:40,460 --> 02:05:38,970
was something to that to the event then

2676
02:05:42,050 --> 02:05:40,470
because it sounds like I think there was

2677
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:42,060
something to the event that at least

2678
02:05:47,950 --> 02:05:43,770
everybody I talked to took it very

2679
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seriously so it wasn't an illegal like

2680
02:05:52,130 --> 02:05:50,370
mexican-american alien with a shaved

2681
02:05:55,610 --> 02:05:52,140
head that maybe it was a dwarf that

2682
02:05:58,580 --> 02:05:55,620
people misidentified as something as an

2683
02:06:00,410 --> 02:05:58,590
ET or well I thought was possible that

2684
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something like that happened you know

2685
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even the term alien maybe got

2686
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misconstrued in the wrong way or

2687
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something or it's it's possible I mean I

2688
02:06:15,050 --> 02:06:12,000
personally didn't see the alien and but

2689
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as other people who were out on the end

2690
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:17,550
of the runway I've talked to you know

2691
02:06:23,780 --> 02:06:19,530
they claimed that there was in fact an

2692
02:06:25,310 --> 02:06:23,790
alien and that see what convinced them

2693
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is they're out there Gary

2694
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this body in the middle of the night and

2695
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shortly well within an hour or so from

2696
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the time that they had found it and

2697
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called it in like ten fifteen men

2698
02:06:46,040 --> 02:06:42,500
arrived with black uniforms and and

2699
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essentially told them to you know take

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off sunny that kind of thing that kind

2701
02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:50,969
of hurt their feelings and then they

2702
02:06:55,580 --> 02:06:53,400
personally claimed they were flown to

2703
02:06:58,370 --> 02:06:55,590
wright-patterson and told not to say

2704
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anything but nobody ever told me not to

2705
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say anything personally so unfortunately

2706
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there's and I've followed this up you

2707
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know as much as I can and talked to a

2708
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lot of people that were there that I

2709
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know at the time and must have have

2710
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heard pretty much what I just told you

2711
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that that something did happen but

2712
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there's only probably you know 10 or 15

2713
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people and these are a special group

2714
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that saw anything in other words just

2715
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kept very closely so some people around

2716
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the government do know what's going on

2717
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apparently all right because this is

2718
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going to be a larger question and then

2719
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and probably you know it's probably like

2720
02:07:48,620 --> 02:07:45,530
50 people Oh country that know anything

2721
02:07:50,629 --> 02:07:48,630
is this a worldwide knowledge or is it

2722
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strictly a UFO knowledge in the u.s.

2723
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because obviously cases happen all over

2724
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the world

2725
02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:55,590
oh I mean basically collude with other

2726
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countries yeah I think other countries

2727
02:08:02,060 --> 02:08:00,210
are starting to to bring out more data

2728
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as a matter of fact they're leading him

2729
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you know like Brazil and Chile and

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France and different countries are

2731
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bringing it out a lot more than the

2732
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United States has and it even seems to

2733
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have been kept from many of the

2734
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presidents and certainly Congress and so

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on very few people know anything about

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this unless they happen to you know see

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2851
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got one I'd like to hear major Fowler's

2853
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views on the whole XO politics scenario

2854
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and the possibility of a United States

2855
02:13:23,810 --> 02:13:22,110
version of disclosure since we're

2856
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talking about countries releasing UFO

2857
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data George do you think that there's

2858
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any possibility that we will ever have a

2859
02:13:33,979 --> 02:13:30,329
government or private industry for that

2860
02:13:38,470 --> 02:13:33,989
matter come clean about what there's

2861
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possibility of disclosure so one thing

2862
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you know we we get these reports of

2863
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these huge UFOs almost every night

2864
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flying over various places in the

2865
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country and by mistake or whatever they

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lie they show up at the zoo

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a bowl or some you know some place where

2868
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there's all these cameras there and

2869
02:14:04,030 --> 02:13:59,700
thousands of people and being seen all

2870
02:14:06,500 --> 02:14:04,040
over the world fairly easily they could

2871
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:06,510
convince the world that they're here you

2872
02:14:14,120 --> 02:14:11,370
know and and there would be no way for

2873
02:14:17,060 --> 02:14:14,130
the any of the governments to stop it if

2874
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they just show up at a you know a big

2875
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ball game like that so to speak so et is

2876
02:14:27,070 --> 02:14:23,160
gonna force disclosure if that scenario

2877
02:14:32,660 --> 02:14:27,080
ever happens and if they choose to yes I

2878
02:14:34,160 --> 02:14:32,670
I think the problem is that unless they

2879
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do something like that it's gonna be

2880
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difficult for you know any politician to

2881
02:14:42,700 --> 02:14:39,480
stand up and do so then who else might

2882
02:14:46,490 --> 02:14:42,710
do it I don't know maybe the news media

2883
02:14:49,250 --> 02:14:46,500
or whistleblower maybe we should have

2884
02:14:52,490 --> 02:14:49,260
you wiki UFO leaks and have our own

2885
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2886
02:14:58,190 --> 02:14:55,610
to come forward and you know maybe

2887
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provide some sort of documentation that

2888
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can be somehow verified that shows a

2889
02:15:04,580 --> 02:15:03,900
reality of the government's knowledge of

2890
02:15:08,420 --> 02:15:04,590
this subject

2891
02:15:13,970 --> 02:15:08,430
I think anything sort of data allegedly

2892
02:15:17,060 --> 02:15:13,980
there is some indication that this UFO

2893
02:15:21,340 --> 02:15:17,070
data in there but I haven't seen

2894
02:15:28,760 --> 02:15:21,350
anything all inspiring or anything

2895
02:15:31,550 --> 02:15:28,770
allegedly a Russian claim that they

2896
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:31,560
don't have the money anymore to examine

2897
02:15:36,530 --> 02:15:33,090
this like they did under the Soviet

2898
02:15:39,260 --> 02:15:36,540
Union so do you think these countries

2899
02:15:40,850 --> 02:15:39,270
that are that are releasing documents

2900
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such as Belgium and France and and

2901
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:42,300
Brazil do you think they're releasing

2902
02:15:45,290 --> 02:15:44,010
everything or do you think they're just

2903
02:15:47,650 --> 02:15:45,300
they're picking and choosing and

2904
02:15:50,830 --> 02:15:47,660
releasing just enough to keep people

2905
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:50,840
people you know their curiosity satiated

2906
02:15:54,410 --> 02:15:53,370
do you feel that they're coming clean

2907
02:15:58,820 --> 02:15:54,420
with everything they know

2908
02:16:00,770 --> 02:15:58,830
no they're they're releasing pretty much

2909
02:16:03,580 --> 02:16:00,780
the kind of information that I have that

2910
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:03,590
they would get nightly that

2911
02:16:10,180 --> 02:16:06,650
no UFOs are being seen by many people

2912
02:16:12,100 --> 02:16:10,190
and they're flying low and sometimes

2913
02:16:14,410 --> 02:16:12,110
they you know would chase them with an

2914
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:14,420
aircraft that kind of thing that's the

2915
02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:16,610
kind of data they're releasing do you

2916
02:16:20,590 --> 02:16:19,010
think the US might be somehow involved

2917
02:16:23,020 --> 02:16:20,600
in these releases of information

2918
02:16:26,680 --> 02:16:23,030
possibly to keep the heat off the United

2919
02:16:28,390 --> 02:16:26,690
States in in some sort of disclosure of

2920
02:16:29,950 --> 02:16:28,400
United States knowledge do you think

2921
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:29,960
there's any sort of collusion going on

2922
02:16:34,630 --> 02:16:31,610
between the US and other governments in

2923
02:16:39,630 --> 02:16:34,640
this regard if there's any collusion I

2924
02:16:42,280 --> 02:16:39,640
think it's trying to keep it quiet well

2925
02:16:44,530 --> 02:16:42,290
possibly to keep the heat off the US or

2926
02:16:46,480 --> 02:16:44,540
convincing other governments to release

2927
02:16:48,791 --> 02:16:46,490
information to keep the heat off the US

2928
02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:48,801
that's that's my gut feeling I was just

2929
02:16:53,650 --> 02:16:51,410
wondering if he shared that well you

2930
02:16:56,680 --> 02:16:53,660
know anything's possible but I would

2931
02:17:02,770 --> 02:16:56,690
love to see some you know what what's

2932
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being said in the cable traffic I'd love

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to see what mrs. Clinton is writing

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Cheers

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our law is is that she personally had

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interest in this and well we know she

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was spent a an interesting weekend with

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Laurance Rockefeller back in I believe

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it was 95 or 96 and allegedly the

2940
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subject of UFOs was broached to the

2941
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first lady at the time and I personally

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heard this from Lawrence actually

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Rockefeller that the subject was

2944
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discussed but of course like he's

2945
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probably the the norm nothing really

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came of it even John Podesta who was

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high in the Clinton administration and

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was I think the head of the transition

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team for Barack Obama who wrote the

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who's written a foreword to UFO book and

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and has publicly stated in interest

2952
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he hasn't managed to to shoehorn any

2953
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more information or even acknowledgement

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that there is information out of our

2955
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government so we'll be short of

2956
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something arriving at the Superbowl in

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two weeks or maybe a child

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hoods ends or the arthur c clarke

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scenario where they parked these huge

2960
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ships over the major cities of the world

2961
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what do you think what kind of

2962
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whistleblower needs to come forward what

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sort of other kind of event needs to

2964
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occur for the government to finally be

2965
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forced to disclose at least something

2966
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well it's hard to say one thing is I've

2967
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noticed is that for example China will

2968
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launch a you know missile or something

2969
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and they'll be a UFO on the picture that

2970
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China's and this has happened when you

2971
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mentioned this what specifically can you

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cite to us has happened that well

2973
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whenever China launches a missile or

2974
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something they have you know video of it

2975
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and so on and fairly often there will be

2976
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a UFO off in the distance now whether

2977
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it's a really a UFO I'm not you know

2978
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certain but it I mean it could be a huge

2979
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bird or something but it certainly looks

2980
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like a UFO in other words is that

2981
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they're more likely I think to bring it

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out in it than any many of the other

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countries that they have other ways

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their background and so on is is that's

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more acceptable where our country seems

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to be less willing to talk about things

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like that I guess it has something to do

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with the Western concept of we're alone

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in the universe or whatever but with the

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fact that you know one is we're up to

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like three hundred different planets

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being found outside of our solar system

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well it seems like the there's there's

2994
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two groups from my understanding in the

2995
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government one group wants to bring it

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out now that doesn't okay as you

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understand it how do you understand it

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well as a former intelligence officer I

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have a lot of contacts with various

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former con you know

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intelligence officers and

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and we talk among ourselves and that's

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but that's what I've been told by these

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other intelligence officers that there's

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a group that wants it out there's a

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group that doesn't that's kind of what

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major Keyhoe said all those years ago

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you said you know what there's a silence

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group and they want to keep the

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and then there's this other group that

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wants to make it public but so far the

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silence group basically gets the upper

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hand that well there's a tendency to

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have you know classify everything and

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the government much of which if you read

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the the WikiLeaks and so on much of it

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is you kind of even question why is it

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classified there's nothing really

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exciting here other than somebody's

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feelings may be hurt or whatever you

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know that it turns out that you know

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Saudi Arabia and the Arab countries

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would like to see Israel or US bomb Iran

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but they don't want no deniability

3026
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obviously they don't want to admit

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public but privately you know what let's

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get rid of that do get rid of him all

3029
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right let a lot of that's what you know

3030
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it's classified highly classified I

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question whether it should be you know

3032
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okay so that's gonna bring up again the

3033
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topic of disclosure is it gonna happen

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in our lifetime and you know obviously

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I'm talking to a lot of guests in the

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last few weeks Chris and I we're you

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know there aren't a lot of years left

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and we want to know before we leave this

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earthly realm if it's gonna happen if

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you have a comment about the show you've

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it sounds like an old Beatles record

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hope we passed the audition I remember

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that well from this last last statement

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ever made in a live beatles performance

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that's right it was

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okay George disclosure okay so the

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argument here obviously from all these

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people saying disclosure is gonna happen

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and we've been talking about now for how

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many years now have we talked about

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disclosure well major Donald Kehoe tried

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for disclosure in the 1950s the Condon

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report came out in response to a request

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for disclosure so now we're in 2011

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George filer is it ever gonna happen I

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think it will eventually I don't see it

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anytime soon that I think the Internet

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is certainly helping making it more

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likely that we're reaching a lot of

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people you know data and and even the

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news media in the last year or two I

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think is at least treating it with more

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as a more serious subject than they have

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in the past similar to what they did in

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the 50s or so on and the news media is

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liable to get on in one of these days

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and you know really push and

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and answers these questions as on is

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likely when it might come out I don't

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think any politician at least when

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they're worrying about rid being

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reelected will come out and say it

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well you had quite a quite a politician

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Fiasco there with your former which I

3198
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:26,090
think was outed by her opponent during

3199
02:29:30,729 --> 02:29:27,920
the last election and she had to and do

3200
02:29:33,819 --> 02:29:30,739
some Mia culpas and let's move on

3201
02:29:37,109 --> 02:29:33,829
that's Delaware my friend Allison you

3202
02:29:39,219 --> 02:29:37,119
know I felt kind of sorry for she's like

3203
02:29:41,229 --> 02:29:39,229
investigated which is when she's in high

3204
02:29:44,889 --> 02:29:41,239
school and they make a big deal about it

3205
02:29:46,510 --> 02:29:44,899
that I think everyone had at one time in

3206
02:29:49,529 --> 02:29:46,520
their life or at least looked into the

3207
02:29:52,689 --> 02:29:49,539
subject you know yeah it's kind of like

3208
02:29:54,519 --> 02:29:52,699
unfortunately if you were like if I was

3209
02:29:57,189 --> 02:29:54,529
running for office they would pick on me

3210
02:29:59,950 --> 02:29:57,199
believing in UFOs and then you spend the

3211
02:30:01,990 --> 02:29:59,960
rest of your life trying to convince

3212
02:30:04,479 --> 02:30:02,000
people that they're real excedrin and

3213
02:30:06,490 --> 02:30:04,489
I've come to be close you know after a

3214
02:30:09,519 --> 02:30:06,500
while yeah but there's a difference here

3215
02:30:12,670 --> 02:30:09,529
she was in her 20s and 30s and still

3216
02:30:15,149 --> 02:30:12,680
talking about it on TV shows well before

3217
02:30:17,559 --> 02:30:15,159
she ran for a political office okay

3218
02:30:21,250 --> 02:30:17,569
she made some mistakes in their

3219
02:30:22,960 --> 02:30:21,260
background so we don't vote for witches

3220
02:30:26,700 --> 02:30:22,970
you know if you're a witch you can't be

3221
02:30:30,460 --> 02:30:26,710
a u.s. senator but okay so we go back to

3222
02:30:32,740 --> 02:30:30,470
this endless quest for disclosure so how

3223
02:30:33,790 --> 02:30:32,750
do you keep a secret for 60 or 70 years

3224
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:33,800
how do we do that

3225
02:30:40,330 --> 02:30:36,409
well like they keep a lot of Secrets you

3226
02:30:42,849 --> 02:30:40,340
know certainly kept like the various

3227
02:30:45,490 --> 02:30:42,859
aircraft secret for many years I

3228
02:30:48,370 --> 02:30:45,500
wouldn't be surprised if we haven't had

3229
02:30:51,849 --> 02:30:48,380
our own UFOs or at least you know

3230
02:30:55,420 --> 02:30:51,859
unidentified flying objects that no one

3231
02:30:57,910 --> 02:30:55,430
has ever revealed the fact that we we

3232
02:31:02,590 --> 02:30:57,920
have them you mean like from area 51 for

3233
02:31:05,859 --> 02:31:02,600
example sure what about those legends

3234
02:31:08,529 --> 02:31:05,869
you know that we have et somewhere on

3235
02:31:09,939 --> 02:31:08,539
ice Roswell I have to raise the Roswell

3236
02:31:12,219 --> 02:31:09,949
specter you've been following this for

3237
02:31:15,099 --> 02:31:12,229
so many years do you believe that

3238
02:31:18,309 --> 02:31:15,109
we captured a crash UFO and we've been

3239
02:31:22,599 --> 02:31:18,319
using it to maybe mine for advanced

3240
02:31:25,090 --> 02:31:22,609
technology do I yes to answer your

3241
02:31:27,309 --> 02:31:25,100
question I believe that that story is

3242
02:31:30,699 --> 02:31:27,319
essentially true you know all the

3243
02:31:34,269 --> 02:31:30,709
details may not be true but I'd probably

3244
02:31:39,429 --> 02:31:34,279
run into 20 people through the years

3245
02:31:42,819 --> 02:31:39,439
that claim they were there and so and

3246
02:31:46,329 --> 02:31:42,829
seeing them that are not whether they're

3247
02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:46,339
lying or you know trying to become

3248
02:31:49,989 --> 02:31:48,890
important I don't know but well it's

3249
02:31:51,519 --> 02:31:49,999
like all the people that say they were

3250
02:31:53,019 --> 02:31:51,529
at Woodstock and for all the people that

3251
02:31:55,029 --> 02:31:53,029
said that they were there were there

3252
02:31:57,279 --> 02:31:55,039
would have been about 10 million people

3253
02:31:59,170 --> 02:31:57,289
instead of a half a million I'll tell

3254
02:32:01,569 --> 02:31:59,180
you my Woodstock story in 30 seconds or

3255
02:32:03,099 --> 02:32:01,579
less I had tickets for Woodstock I was

3256
02:32:05,499 --> 02:32:03,109
working at a small radio station in

3257
02:32:07,359 --> 02:32:05,509
Vermont my program director said you

3258
02:32:09,489 --> 02:32:07,369
know what you've got to work I'm gonna

3259
02:32:12,039 --> 02:32:09,499
take those tickets I said all right

3260
02:32:13,869 --> 02:32:12,049
here's the tickets but you know what he

3261
02:32:16,059 --> 02:32:13,879
got stuck on the New York Thruway he

3262
02:32:21,010 --> 02:32:16,069
never got to Woodstock serves him right

3263
02:32:24,340 --> 02:32:21,020
I have a question for you George James

3264
02:32:26,889 --> 02:32:24,350
Kerry and the ex-head of move on after

3265
02:32:30,099 --> 02:32:26,899
he right around the time he was stepping

3266
02:32:31,959 --> 02:32:30,109
down and and shortly thereafter was

3267
02:32:34,300 --> 02:32:31,969
raising some eyebrows in the UFO

3268
02:32:36,639 --> 02:32:34,310
community by suggesting that a quite a

3269
02:32:39,369 --> 02:32:36,649
sizable percentage of UFO sightings are

3270
02:32:42,519 --> 02:32:39,379
actually secret military craft we had

3271
02:32:44,920 --> 02:32:42,529
just broach that subject prior so do you

3272
02:32:47,649 --> 02:32:44,930
think that how many could you put a

3273
02:32:51,029 --> 02:32:47,659
percentage approximate guess or

3274
02:32:54,189 --> 02:32:51,039
percentage on on the number of sightings

3275
02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:54,199
that appear to be UFOs are actually some

3276
02:32:58,800 --> 02:32:56,810
sort of exotic conventional technology

3277
02:33:01,979 --> 02:32:58,810
or unconventional technology that we

3278
02:33:05,109 --> 02:33:01,989
that we have do you have a sense of that

3279
02:33:06,849 --> 02:33:05,119
well they used to tell us the air force

3280
02:33:10,029 --> 02:33:06,859
that the theory of the sightings in at

3281
02:33:14,469 --> 02:33:10,039
least the air crews had were UFOs and in

3282
02:33:16,809 --> 02:33:14,479
other words alien not not our own so

3283
02:33:19,029 --> 02:33:16,819
they could let me need to reverse that

3284
02:33:20,829 --> 02:33:19,039
and say that you know probably a third

3285
02:33:23,319 --> 02:33:20,839
of the sightings are something that we

3286
02:33:25,729 --> 02:33:23,329
have or mistaken identity whatever I

3287
02:33:28,909 --> 02:33:25,739
didn't quite get get that you said you

3288
02:33:33,289 --> 02:33:28,919
they were told a third of the fighters

3289
02:33:36,229 --> 02:33:33,299
were alien sightings the sort of a third

3290
02:33:38,109 --> 02:33:36,239
of the sightings 33 percentage of the

3291
02:33:40,999 --> 02:33:38,119
sightings were considered to be

3292
02:33:43,489 --> 02:33:41,009
unidentified in other words nothing we

3293
02:33:45,109 --> 02:33:43,499
have and oh I see what you're saying

3294
02:33:48,139 --> 02:33:45,119
okay so they were they would track

3295
02:33:50,389 --> 02:33:48,149
bogies unknowns and 30% of them

3296
02:33:52,670 --> 02:33:50,399
approximately were true unknowns that

3297
02:33:54,170 --> 02:33:52,680
they couldn't come up with an

3298
02:33:55,729 --> 02:33:54,180
explanation for what they were that's a

3299
02:33:59,289 --> 02:33:55,739
pretty high percentage I'm surprised

3300
02:34:05,179 --> 02:33:59,299
you're not you know any other reasonable

3301
02:34:07,010 --> 02:34:05,189
object so they're most likely aliens and

3302
02:34:12,050 --> 02:34:07,020
and in our business in other words I

3303
02:34:15,590 --> 02:34:12,060
figure somewhere around ten percenter or

3304
02:34:18,260 --> 02:34:15,600
what I would call an alien objects not

3305
02:34:22,069 --> 02:34:18,270
anything that we have now how many are

3306
02:34:22,729 --> 02:34:22,079
our own probably I'm just guessing 20%

3307
02:34:25,159 --> 02:34:22,739
or something

3308
02:34:26,749 --> 02:34:25,169
listen George filer for the next

3309
02:34:29,359 --> 02:34:26,759
Minutemen they have tell our listeners

3310
02:34:32,929 --> 02:34:29,369
about filers files and how they can get

3311
02:34:36,199 --> 02:34:32,939
themselves copies well it's on the web

3312
02:34:41,449 --> 02:34:36,209
but several places but the easiest one

3313
02:34:43,189 --> 02:34:41,459
to go to is national UFO center.com or

3314
02:34:46,249 --> 02:34:43,199
if they'd like me to send them the

3315
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:46,259
weekly files which I sent about well

3316
02:34:52,699 --> 02:34:48,810
over 7,000 people they just have to

3317
02:34:57,800 --> 02:34:52,709
write to major star like a major star in

3318
02:34:59,659 --> 02:34:57,810
the sky at Horizon and make sure by the

3319
02:35:02,929 --> 02:34:59,669
way you have your spam filters set very

3320
02:35:04,130 --> 02:35:02,939
very high email address there's going to

3321
02:35:05,689 --> 02:35:04,140
be a lot of junk I know we just

3322
02:35:08,840 --> 02:35:05,699
installed a new spam filter on our

3323
02:35:12,349 --> 02:35:08,850
server to protect everybody a lot of

3324
02:35:15,109 --> 02:35:12,359
times you can say I accept from you know

3325
02:35:16,579 --> 02:35:15,119
fireless files or whatever that I'm

3326
02:35:18,170 --> 02:35:16,589
thinking about the mail that you get

3327
02:35:20,210 --> 02:35:18,180
because you gave your email address out

3328
02:35:22,219 --> 02:35:20,220
in the air you know normally I send it

3329
02:35:25,729 --> 02:35:22,229
out on Wednesday so most people get out

3330
02:35:27,710 --> 02:35:25,739
of one fear Thursday morning uh-huh so

3331
02:35:30,409 --> 02:35:27,720
by the time they hear this episode well

3332
02:35:33,229 --> 02:35:30,419
have been one more issue of filers files

3333
02:35:36,260 --> 02:35:33,239
and I guess you expect to keep on

3334
02:35:38,400 --> 02:35:36,270
keeping on until there's a solution or

3335
02:35:41,881 --> 02:35:38,410
there's nothing more to report

3336
02:35:44,730 --> 02:35:41,891
Yeah right I don't know what the answer

3337
02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:44,740
is for certain but all I can say as I've

3338
02:35:50,670 --> 02:35:47,530
seen them and you know we get 2,000

3339
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:50,680
sightings a month from people somebody

3340
02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:54,490
are seeing something Chris O'Brien where

3341
02:35:59,220 --> 02:35:55,930
do we find more of the things you're up

3342
02:36:02,761 --> 02:35:59,230
to well you can always find me at forum

3343
02:36:04,890 --> 02:36:02,771
podcast com I am a moderator on our very

3344
02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:04,900
lively forums I also do have my own

3345
02:36:10,350 --> 02:36:08,290
website our strange planet calm it is a

3346
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:10,360
strange planet gets our strange planet

3347
02:36:15,240 --> 02:36:12,730
you can find all my books and database

3348
02:36:18,631 --> 02:36:15,250
and in other interesting articles there

3349
02:36:19,710 --> 02:36:18,641
and I want to thank George for a really

3350
02:36:22,140 --> 02:36:19,720
good job that you've been doing

3351
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:22,150
collating through and selecting out

3352
02:36:26,520 --> 02:36:24,250
these many citing reports that are

3353
02:36:30,600 --> 02:36:26,530
included weekly in your in your filers

3354
02:36:32,250 --> 02:36:30,610
files and continued success and we

3355
02:36:33,780 --> 02:36:32,260
welcome you back anytime on the podcast

3356
02:36:39,390 --> 02:36:33,790
we really thank you for being on this

3357
02:36:41,580 --> 02:36:39,400
week happy New Year and a very special

3358
02:36:45,060 --> 02:36:41,590
announcement coming next week the first

3359
02:36:47,881 --> 02:36:45,070
ever radio appearance by a longtime UFO

3360
02:36:51,240 --> 02:36:47,891
investigator david Halperin he's author

3361
02:36:53,881 --> 02:36:51,250
of a new book a novel journal of a UFO

3362
02:36:56,551 --> 02:36:53,891
investigator based on his experiences

3363
02:36:57,540 --> 02:36:56,561
when he was a teenager chasing after the

3364
02:36:59,760 --> 02:36:57,550
flying saucers

3365
02:37:03,821 --> 02:36:59,770
next week on the Boro cast

3366
02:37:08,591 --> 02:37:06,220
this is calculated presentation of

3367
02:37:10,921 --> 02:37:08,601
making the impossible incorporated tune

3368
02:37:19,300 --> 02:37:10,931
in next week for a new adventure M a